posted Sat, 04/20/2013 - 08:35
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SUSTANON 270, DBOL,
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I am in my 1st week of my cycle. I ordered a lot of gear for future cycles from naps. I currently have 10 vials of sustanon 270, 4 vials of cyp 250, 2 vials of decca 250, 150 10 mg pills of dianabol, 100 10 mg pills of winstrol, 2 10ml vials of winstrol injectable 50 mg per ml, 26 ml of primobolan, 100 clenbuteral pills, 2 packs of clomid and 2 packs of nolva, 500ui hcg.
on this 1st cycle I was thinking of this...............
week 1-2 1,000 mg sustanon per week
week 1-5 50 mg of dianabol EVERYDAY
week 2-12 675 mg of sustanon per week
PLEASE HELP ME WITH THE HCG. this is my 1st time to ever run an hcg. I have always used clomid and nolva for pct in my past 3 cycles.
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Use HCG on week 4 and 8 to keep testicles size. no need for it after cycle. For PCT go Clomid and Nolva protocol.
how exactly do I dose my hcg?
I am new to the whole hcg thing so please explain how I take it exactly. I have a lg science 5000 ui kit
week 4-8? how much and how do I inject this? I have never used this stuff b4 and done a lot of research on it. some people say it is NOT needed if I run both clomid and nolva? I bought it to be safe. please describe how to administer it. thanks!
if you would, read what I originally posted saying all the products I have on hand. if you could break down exactly what you think I should do with it, I would love to hear opinions. THANKS GUYS! (hcg opinions as well please) along with the nolva and clomid doseage!
RustyhookerI already posted proper pct below.
Still you haven't answered your AI!!! Do you read or just hells bent on new boobs?
No...dont go 15 Weeks! I already posted that WITH the pct below.
Hcg.....are you even reading any forums or getting spokn fed!!!????
The rest of the stuff you spent mobey on with NO research....SAVE IT.
Im done....go research
yes sir I did read your posts. I appreciate all of yals guys help and answers. as far as the AI are you sure I will need one? I have done hours and hours of research and a lot of people say they don't need it but it is good to keep on hand in case you need it. is this correct? and what AI do you recommend if I do need it? and what dosage brotha?
RustyhookerAro at 6.75ed. You front loaded so probably around week 3 start. Blood test at week 6 will tell ya if your estro is high or low. If nips get sensitive then clearly bump to 12.5ed
I really want to thank all yal guys for all yals advice!!!!! yal sure help me!!! where do I go to get a blood test and what do I tell them?
RustyhookerPrivatemedlabs.com $59 female panel...just because its cheaper. Same test. Estro, test, liver etc. Don't risk losing health insurance.
as far as my HCG. do I need it? I have gotten mixed opinions on using it if I am using clomid and nolvadex. also what are yals opinions on expanding the sustanon to 15 weeks? YES or NO? and why?
PLEASE READ THIS. I was planning on injecting 2 times a week maybe 3. but plase read this and tell me what yal think.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/446227-sus...
I like vikings protocol with the cycle, however I personally would lower dbol dose to 25 or 30mg and run it a week longer.
OP feel free to PM me or post your diet on here, I'd be more then happy to help you fix it so you can make HUGE gains with this cycle!!
Rustyhookeragree.
Viking- is the dbol and sustanon stack that I listed above good or no good? it is what I did in the past and I gained 20 som pounds and then after I stopped I have always kept about 10 lbs of it.
RustyhookerGotta get AI...ASAP. J223 has great info on holding bodyweight. Surely fr him and pick his brain.
OK... if you commit hard to getting the nutrition side spot on this is how the gear should be run for best results.... do not panic about the sust adding upto 810mg due to having prop in there its half-life value actually brings the max total down to a reasonable figure..... here we go...........
wk 1-12 sustanon 270mg EOD...not strictly EOD but mon/wed/fri for even blood plasma levels.
wk 1-4 d/bol 50mg ED.....split dose morn/eve..... approx 8 hours apart.
Drink plenty of water whilst on the d/bol and get some milkthistle and liv 52 for liver support ok.
PLEASE READ THIS. I was planning on injecting 2 times a week maybe 3. but plase read this and tell me what yal think.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/446227-sus...
Viking- so if I do any of the gear I listed above , how should I run it?
YES!!!!! thank you guys! please read what I posted below.
Message to the OP.... bro you have some of our best guys in your thread right now............ take advantage and pick thier brains whilst you have the attention.......... maybe posting this today was THE best thing you have done so far regarding your physique goals.
RH as got you right here bro..... cycle is BS and will produce NOTHING if you first dont learn to eat!.... you need to bang the protein in at a ratio off 2grams pr one pound bodyweight and alter this has you gain... meaning constantly increase the intake, CARBS will make you grow and can be manipulated to control bodyfat or bloat along the way.
You seriously need to learn about nutrition management brother... this is the way forwards for you NOT sust/dbol stack and TOTALLY forget about frontloading a gram if you have never inj exogenous test ever before... frontloading is an advanced teqnique for people who already know thier compounds very well.
I a cycle a couple of years ago. I was 154ish lbs lean . I did sustanon and dbol cycle. I got all the way up to 179. then when I got off the roids I have always stayed at 165-172 lean! so my thoughts were that after I did this cycle and after the pct I would always be above 180 and then when I stopped and pct I would always stay about 10 lbs heavier then I am now. and that's where I would like to be.
I understand whats going through your head bro... but the fact is you must eat towards goal then carry on eating to maintain the gains or ALL will dissappear............ without a shadow of doubt.
CARBS!!!!
yes this is the thing that will make you grow.
As a hardgainer I used to just eat protein and I was NOT gaining mass. You need carbs. Carbs are what fuels your body. If you do not have enough carbs, the protein you EAT will get broken down for energy instead of used to build muscle. High carbs means more glycogen retention which is a good state to be in when trying to build muscle.
This is why a high protein diet does not work for a hardgainer. YOU NEED fats and carbs. Fats are excellent and calorie dense. Try adding olive oil, peanut butter/peanuts/almonds, avocado stuff liek that.
For carbs get both complex carbs and simple carbs. Consume simple carbs throughout the day. Especially in the AM and post workout. You need simple sugars first thing in the morning. Fruits are great for this. simple carbs are also good before or after a high protein meal because it will cause an insulin release which shuttles the amino acids to your muscle cells. Complex carbs all day - potatoes, bread, rice, pasta etc. PROTEIN you need in the evening especially before bed in conjunction with complex carbs. This will allow your body to build muscle
Excellent info brother... you got a +3 for educating 100s that read this thread............. thankyou
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RustyhookerDiet gurus: Viking....sgtstedanko....superDbag. J223 is hardgainer...great contact for advice.
Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/its-not-the-gear
Heres one.
Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/hardgain...
This too
RUSTY- please help me man. all I am asking for is help.
I think the point Rusty is trying to make is your diet is what needs to be fixed for you to make solid gains. It does not matter which steroids you use because if you have a bad diet the steroids won't put on mass for you.
Take it from me, I have been a hard gainer my whole life, I used to be 150-160 lbs at 6 feet taLL!!! I have borderline hyperthyroidism so I struggle to keep weight on. I KNOW how you feel. Diet is what helped me.
Just listen to the people here, it's not the steroids it's the diet that will give you your gains.
RustyhookerHeres your grocery list. Get aromasin immediatly.. You have no ai and risking gyno like immediately. 12.5Mg every day.
Drop the dbol immediatly.. It will just load you with water. And boosts estrogen...and you have no aromasin.
If you want 180 lean...its all about food. You're gonna fully lean how to eat. Or you'll yo-yo. Big clean meals. Big compkex carbs. 1.5g protein per lb bodyweight. Lots veggies.
Post up in diet section for help. SuperDbag is great diet dude. Check for his forums...send fr. To keep your gains you're gonna learn the kitchen.
Cycle runs 12Weeks. Week 14 is pct. Mske sure you have enought for pct or get it correct.
Aro 12.5 12.5 6.75 6.75
Nolva 20...20..10..10
Clomid 100...100...50..50
rusty- so you think I should drop the dbol and just run the test for 12 weeks? I have already done 1 shot of test 500mg and I am on day 2 of the dbol. I have quite of bit of gear listed above. can you look over it and break down a cycle and pct for me? PLEASE?
RustyhookerI prefer test only. Vike has a big bulker up top. If you do dbol just get the ai to block estro. Run the ai thru cycle. Dbol is classic mass builder. Just gotta learn to match kitchen to your body. Food is always the hard part. Suppliments are easy.
agreed. However dbol is really helpful because of the nitrogen retention and increased protein synthesis. the extra glycogen and water is REALLY helpful lol. ONLY if diet is in place. I'd drop the dbol dose though to 30mg. 50mg is too high
RustyhookerAgree! I like running it low. Get the boost without the sides.
I eat like a horse!!! my body and metabolism is SO HIGH I stay lean. I am wanting to gain 10- 15 lbs of muscle and keep it always. when I cut for fights I cut water weight in a sauna and dehydrate myself to lose the extra weight.
RustyhookerAs long as you're a hardgainer....no amount of steroids will help you. Its 100% food for hardgainers bud. Jyst trying to save you frustration. You'll add 20lbs....and lose it all.
Solid advice rusty!
RustyhookerI'll need help here. He's in in now and has to learn diet. I'm not good at explaing it simply...my bad. I eat the hells outta chicken, beeg, veggies, complex carbs. But breaking down each meal simply...i just don't have that talent.
I been comp prepping for 2mths bro.... i walked past a farm today and ALL the cattle ran and HID????.... maybe they could sense im gonna eat the hell outa the herd after these shows....... LMFAOOOOOOO.
RustyhookerBig Viking sharpens his sword! Lmao! Half side of beef for post show!
LOL... damn right bro, with a sack of spuds on the side
I am basically wanting to stay at a lean 180ish. that is my goal.
RustyhookerYou said you fight at 155. What are you doing?
RustyhookerYou fight mma...you realize you are gonna jump 2 weight classes!!!???
Whats your goal man?
my goal is to gain 10 lbs or so and keep it on. when I cut weight I can cut 20 lbs and fight at 155 when I walk around at 180ish.
RustyhookerTo gain 10 to cut 20 is utter BS. Your cycle is bunk for your goals. Food coulda got all your goals met. The cycle you started has me scratching my ass eondering wtf didn't you research and ASK foR HELP before you spent a grand on a wasted time!? Dbol will bliat you up full of water. Test is not only too high for your goals but completely unresearched and the laxy way out. You fight at 155....weight 165 currently. So basically you're gonna blow $300+ to jump to a bloated 190 to take ALL that new muscle and throw it in the trash.
Stop your cycle...PCT.....and eat proper!
I am 5'10 165 lbs, 24 years old. I fight mma and do a lot of body weight workouts and a lot of heavy bag and boxing type workouts. ANY ADVICE will be very appreciated!