Cycle number one
What’s up guys.
I will be running my first cycle
Been weight training since I was 14, at this point training is part of my lifestyle. My diet is great in my opinion, 6 meals throughout my day. I’m looking to increase my strength and muscle mass more because I feel as progress has slowed down due to my natural potential. I want to go beyond that and maybe some time this year compete in BB.
Currently sitting at 218-220 I fluctuate between those numbers . My body fat is 14%.
I’m deciding to run test e only along with Aromasin to keep E controlled throughout the cycle
I’d like y’alls opinion on it. Suggestions/advice.
500mg of Test E 250 per ml
For 10weeks
Tuesday morning (250)and Thursday night(250) injections.
I’ll start taking 12.5mg of Aromasin at the beginning of week 3 and will take it up to the end of week 12 then start pct week 13-17
PCT: 4 weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Along with a natural test booster
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Update - Pin schedule is Monday Thursday. I don’t believe I’m sensitive to E side effects so I won’t b running Aromasin during. Week 5 I’m going to get blood work done to see where everything is and then from there decide if I need any Aromasin
PCT is going to remain the same moving it 3-4werks after my last inj
Might add HCG as others have suggested to my pct still researching it. Otherwise my cycle will stay as is also may not run tamoxifen for pct
What’s up? I was natural until last year. I’m 43 years old now. Your going to be amazed what 500 mg of test will do. It’s going to make you feel like Superman. Your going to put muscle on so fast it won’t even believe it. It’s like putting years of training in just a few weeks. You are going to love it. I was blown away by the results. And by your training background you will have everything else in check. Happy pinning. Wait until you see what kind of pump you get!!! Wish I could give advise but I’m new to this game too. I’d rather some of the more experienced guys give it to you. The only thing I can tell you is how to eat and train but looks like you have that down already.
Update .
Just did my first injection today this morning . I got my bloodwork done so I know where I sit for my natural levels however I didn’t get my E work done I just realized as I went over the my results. I guess i forgot to request that. Do y’all think I should go back and get my e checked as well even after my first pin today?
PcushionWorry about estrogen levels at week 5. If you don’t have breast currently then your estrogen is fine at baseline levels. Your making good decisions. The only SERM I run in PCT is Clomid. I have great success leaving the Nolva out and I do this for two major reasons my man.
RustyhookerFairly careless considering dudes answers here....
Do you believe I should keep the amount of clomid for PCT the same ? Or base it off my last blood test results ?
basskiller89You should make a post brother we can help you piece things together
PcushionYou can’t base clomid dose off you precycle lab work. It had nothing to do with your precycle numbers as you were not taking it at the time.
basskiller89I have to do some post cycles tests now lol Is there a way to coordinate hpta value with the clomid in regards to LH levels lol probably, I'll get some extra bloods after this blast
you know, I'm probably wrong when I say this. But it seriously feels like all these topics that show up in the cycle section . Are made by the same person over and over and over. Its the same bs quick little responses made by some dude who has an answer for what ever you say. He is gracious to the people who prop em up and a smart ass know it all to anyone who disagrees with him.
I'm sure I am wrong, but it sure feels like the same person.
jayiskhave you gotten labs to see what your estrogen is. you say you are running Aromasin to keep E under control. with that amount of test you should not have estrogen issues unless you know this from prev. labs.
or are you saying you are prone to estrogen sides such as gyno, water retention, etc.
Point is your body needs estrogen to grow with the test so you dont want to crash it.
Again only labs can tell you this.
I appreciate all your responses. I am absorbing this all and doing further research on what each of you has said. Thanks everyone
Cycle looks good, as others mentioned start PCT on week 14, move pin schedule to Monday and Thursday.
PcushionI hope you mean him starting pct on week 14 given he takes his last injection at week ten.
Alphamale500This looks like a pretty good, first cycle. The only thing I would consider adding is some Hcg. Now, if you should add it only to your PCT or to your cycle as well, is up to you. Maybe you would like to get some further information on adding Hcg as many people's opinions differ on this topic. Personally, I'm a long time user of Hcg and well informed on the particulars of using Hcg. I would use Hcg on cycle and for PCT if I was in your shoes.
On cycle, Hcg will prevent your testicles from shrinking, keep your intra-testicular testosterone levels up, and keep up your sperm production. And overall by using Hcg on cycle, you'll be preventing any infertility issues. But like I said, go ahead and get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or however many opinions you need before making your decision.
I'd run up to 12 weeks at 500 then start pct week 14
good luck bro keep us posted kill those weights
basskiller89That's what I did for my first cycle, wouldn't change a thing
PcushionMan come on. Your a level three member of this forum you and I both know based purely on half life he would still have a minimal of 62.5mg minimal testosterone present in his system and his feedback loop will still negatively by this. You have been around this forum long enough to know that the old school rule of start pct 2 weeks after your last emanate ester is bro lore crap. Androgen levels will be low enough to respond somewhere between 25-30 days that’s number varies greatly person to person due to one natural ability to eliminate etsers. You are better than the advice you gave man. You know this stuff.
Well I start after 14 days.. I usually run my test low and I am sensitive to estro so I take nolva after 14 daya.. to each their own
basskiller89Enanthate has a 10 day half life in my body brother, I pin PCT 6 weeks after my last pin based on blood work
PcushionYes you are correct medical articles give it a broad range 7-10 days. My body clears the enanthate ester at 5. Using bloods to determine when pct is a great way to set your self up for success. Labs can remove the guess work. If you run the enough you can pin point the exact day you should start pct. Most often people start pct far to soon and then it ends before it should. I actually have a medical article published in like 2017 where the studied hypogonadism induced by AAS and they ran clomid on those guys for for at least 90 days. So it bids the question as to whether pct should run much longer.
basskiller89Right.. It's hard to say whether or not the HCG, Clomid or Nolvadex have a higher value in PCT in terms of restoring the bodies HTPA back to normal ranges, which is only because we take them all at the same time. I supposed in theory there could be medical studies referencing the bodies response to each individual drug or even in combination. Does it really matter the individual drug rate if the HTPA levels are within the appropriate range after PCT? Yes and no. I'd like to know the individual interaction rates of each drug within my body, but I don't really stress this part. I'd say that understanding the half life of a compound is more important so that you can properly time PCT. Don't even get me started on the actual drop in blood serum levels day by day compared to a fixed rate of time. Did it drop evenly? Is there a increase in reduction rate based upon less or more? I can say that in 10 days testosterone enanthate reduces by 50% in my body, which is based upon my blood work. Always learning
PcushionI sent you a friend request. I have some literature that can answer a lot of those questions. There is a drug in FDA phase two trials that if approved will be the first medication prescribed for hypogonadism. It’s called enclomiphene it’s a trans isomer of clomiphene. We are potentially about to see the worlds first legitimate PCT drug.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4155868/
basskiller89I accepted, the FDA lol they say eat less than 2300mg sodium sometimes, it kills me.. It looks like solid research, idk if I'd switch only because HCG, Nolva and Clomid has that almost placebo effect mentally. I'm not capable of taking deca because I get neurotic and OCD and can't handle it lol not even kidding. Been on test only on and off with a couple trial cycles to EQ and NPP, but just wasn't having the same emotional attachment to the cycle which led to underrating and not the best the cycle could have been
PcushionEverything I am about to post isn’t advice for you or anyone else. You asked for suggestions my suggestion is you read the information and articles below. Some goes against the grain of what we have always done with PCT. This is just food for thought now, but I presume in the not so distant future we will see a shift in our thoughts on PCT and what works. My whole point is behind this is do your own research and play around. Find what works for you in terms of hormones supplementation and in PCT.
This will help you understand Aromasin a little better
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/1999/20753LBL.PDF
Nolvadex is selective in its receptors blocking abilities the next link explains what that means exactly
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Tamoxifen_citrate
The very last link is a much newer publication. I found this in early 2017. After reading the first it’s understood that parts of the body receive tamoxifen as an estrogen. This article demonstrates a direct link between estrogen circulating in the body, and estrogen derived in the brain and shows both both play a role in negatively effecting the HPTA feedback loop. This conjoining role is why I have never used tamoxifen in my pct. In 2012 my endocrinologist said that he saw a faster recovery rate in patients without the use of tamoxifen in than with. I didn’t understand why at the time bc this whole thing was just starting up for myself, but now I do. Pay close attention to part C.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902157/
Thanks for this brother this was very helpful
PcushionYour dose looks good. Make sure to get labs to dial in you AI. Everyone’s idea is different in PCT is different that said your PCT is starting too soon and due to that not running long enough. It would be very smart to gets some bloodwork done before you start PCT. That will tell you where you stand. Based off of a 5 day half life at 25 days you will still have 31.25 mg of testosterone in your system. That’s a lot more than the 2-11 mg a day the average males produces. So 21 days from your last injection your body is still reading androgen levels as high. I battle this by swapping to a fast release ester and tapering down 100 mg every 10 days until I get to 100 mg, then I start PCT 7 days after that injection. My bloodwork shows propionate ester has a 2 day half life and enanthate 5 days. These values took quite a bit of time to determine and didn’t come from one visit so if you plan on running more than a couple of cycles in your life it’s a good idea to start running labs not just to determine overall health but also when to start pct. There is no better time than the present to figure out how long you take to cleave off different esters. If you are not interested in the labs to determine when to start PCT need to be longer. In all reality your PCT should be longer regardless on your first run even if you are trying to figuring out your bodies ability to remove etsers. This concept is the same one general physicians use with TRT patients but they do it on a more primitive level than a Endocrinologist.
All good stuff but a lot to digest for a first cycle. I agree, he could start his PCT a week or two later.
Agree...once I started to pct after 3wks it went a WHOLE lot easier....all my cycles are test e provi drol, or teste mast provi drol...... when I pct’d after 14 days it was like babysitting my cousins kids, a fu@$in nightmare....waiting the extra days was night and day for me anyways ...
PcushionIt used to be common practice to start pct 14 days after last injection on e and c esters and 21 days after Sustanon. This concept amongst others flopped most pct regimens. The simple answer was half lives which we knew already. Why we didn’t put our heads together idk.
PcushionThank you. I probably should have left my next post to a more advanced group of readers. It’s some food for thought but a little more advanced.
basskiller89Make sure to get blood work!!
Looks like uve done some research and aren't trying a super stupid stack cycle that ur bro told about. Like everyone has said, bloods are very important. On that same note, imo, I'd say to stay natty, work past ur plateaus, and tweak ur diet. Have u researched the long term effects AAS do to ur endocrine system? U seem like a intelligent young man, so I'm glad ur here asking questions..
I wouldn't take the Aromasin "just because" keep it on hand, odds are you may not need it.
Righthook is correct, Get bloods as a baseline before you start. You won't know how successful your PCT is without something to compare it to. During tells you how good your gear is (get after about 5-6 weeks). And get bloodwork near the end of your PCT to see how well you're recovering.
Cycle looks good overall. Why the day/night injections. On PCT you won't need a Test booster if you use some HCG!
Bloods. Get bloods. Before, during and after. If you’re starting this now then you’ll want to know these things especially later down the line when you’re asking yourself “what are my natural levels”
They have a cycle section for questions like this. You are 26 I hope you realize what kind of decision you making. I didn’t start until I was 41. Look at your first shot on Tuesday. That would make your shot on Thursday, two and a half days away. That makes your shot from Thursday to Tuesday four and a half days away. Got to be careful with stuff like this.
Looks good but is there a reason you are pinning Tuesday’s and Thursday’s instead of balancing it out say for example Thursday morn and Sunday night
Sounds like a good first cycle if you ask me, my first years ago was just a basic 500 enanthate/week and had adex on hand but never needed it. Two things, I would say to feel out the usage of the aromasin instead of just starting it at week 3, better yet pull some blood work and see how your doing. Crashing Estro is hell and some ppl don’t need estrogen control on 500, some do and less is better when it comes to that stuff. Also maybe look at extending past 10 weeks I’d say 12-16 if you can. Just my opinions tho.