posted Mon, 08/31/2015 - 20:10
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Changing Compounds Mid-Cycle
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I've put on over 25lbs and dropped bf on test / Drol over the last five weeks. I'm not happy with my last liver function test and it's come time to take a break from the orals for a while.
My concern is now that I've dropped the drol my gains will disappear like a fart in the wind.
This is my strategy for keeping things going. Constructive criticism only please.
Currently on 750mg test. I'm going to ratchet down the test to 250mg a week and start Tren ace immediately at 75mg ED. When my liver function scores start to normalise I'm going to finish cycle with Anavar 25mg ED. Next time I think I'm going to run a hefty dose of EQ as I read the slow, progressive gains of EQ are easier to maintain after cycle. That's the plan.
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another dude who thinks deca is going to magiclly heal, dude it doesnt heal, it masks, it reminds me of some of the people i tattoo, they bring numbing cream, they keep reapplying it every 1 hour, they sit there smiling saying this doesnt hurt at all, then when its finished they get half way home and start crying, boooom the pain hits all at once, same principal with deca, eventually it will mask the symptoms, eventually you will come off and then booom, more pain than before due to the adde trauma you put the injury through from masking, anti imflammatory cytokines buddy, small proteins in the body that gathe around affected areas of "pain" or imflammation, nandrolone increases the amount of "antis" and decreases the "pros".
Think I'm going to have to run some Deca because my ligaments aren't keeping up with my strength and I've got Iliotibial band pain along with ligament pain everywhere.
Could I ask a simple question what is the point of posting if you already have your mind set and you're not going to be taking anybody's advice? This cycle of yours from the get go seems poorly planned. Your thinking of throwing in tren a now you want to throw in deca your system is going to be all out of whack. Slow your roll buddy take the advice given to you down below.
I have taken the advice to not run Tren. But I don't want to tear a ligament. Test causes collagen depletion and my ligaments / soft tissue is inflamed and vulnerable. I think a little Deca is a better option than ending the cycle or tearing my IT band off my leg.
More gear justified by nonsense reasoning. Deca isn't going to stop a ligament / tendon tear. is that what you really think or are you just trying to convince yourself that makes it ok.?
Just run whatever you want without announcing it to a bored audience.
Well then I need to end cycle immediately as I have severe tendinitis. Last pin was two days ago so PCT starts in two weeks.
RustyhookerIs the pain at elbow, on top side of the arm with a pain running towards wrist?
Legs - patella tendon, IT band. Shoulders - biceps tendinitis and rotator cuff. My tendons can't keep up with the strength gains I've made. I had a friend with the same problem on gear and he tore his bicep off his arm.
Rustyhookerhttps://youtu.be/FMncbdtwic4
Piana Huh? I said the exact same thing about numbers when I joined this forum and lost a whole lot of karma and had people saying I was "trolling". But yes, in this instance piana is correct. With one qualification: sets need to be between 30-60 seconds and you need to approach or reach muscle failure to maximise gains. I wasn't asking advice on lifting as I've been lifting and studying physiology for many years. Thanks.
RustyhookerYou are a troll. But that's another story.
RustyhookerHe's trolling you. Check out the other forums he wrote. All same style
Think I'm going to have to run some Deca because my ligaments aren't keeping up with my strength and I've got ITB band pain along with ligament pain everywhere.
You taking any liver support?
TUDCA 1250mg ED + liver tonic with globe artichoke, milk thistle and lots of biocurcumin. Also taking taurine.
Did TUDCA come from a good src?
Yes but I have only bumped it up to 1250 a few days ago. Before that I was only taking 500mg.
There u go...see what happens now....i used with high dose dbol.and high dose test.....mid cycle bw revealed liver enzymes wnl...and i was double dosing it...
You'd expect a high alt, ggt or bilirubin after 5 weeks of Drol daily. I'll check my liver function again in a week and see where it's at. I expect ALT will be much lower in a week or two then I can assess things from there.
Okay fair points. And thanks for letting me know about the liver issue with tren. I'm talking about injectable Tren ace of course not the oral tren I have stashed away but yes I have heard injectable tren can mess with some people's livers. My ALT was high but not too high. It happens with all sorts of meds and alcohol too. If you go get pissed and take a liver function test the scores are really high but then they return to normal soon after. My liver is not an issue I'm just doing things in a careful way. That's why I take bloods regularly and monitor my blood pressure. That's part of the reason I am willing to consider other ways to keep the cycle productive.
just do your test cycle, what week are you in? finish it off, hit your pct, recover, get bloods and then back to the drawing board, next cycle you will be more experienced and prepared and we can help you put together a proper, decent cycle.
I've been reading a lot about recovery as it's important to me. Dr Michael Scally is an ex-bber and now treats bodybuilders who need aggressive recovery. He's got the numbers to back up his protocol. My baseline test was 28nmol /L ref range 11nmol to 30nmol. It will be interesting to see what it is in the weeks / months after end of PCT.
yes mate, nolva ,clomid therapy is tried and tested, if estro is controlled on cycle leading into pct, no need for any kind of ai, aromasin could be used in first 7-10 days if out of range, same for pgr etc if DA was used correctly no need for further use.
f you want to run extra supps (natural) daa works, vitamin d, zinc etc all help.
4 weeks is the standard protocol, although i usually go 6 weeks, 5 weeks clomid, 6 weeks nolva.
my dosing is-
clomid- 150-100-100-50-50
nolva- 60-40-40-40-20-20
i tolerate clomid well though, some have issues, cease usage if any vision problems.
smh, tren ace will fuck your liver even further. you are going the wrong way about everything, stop looking at extra compounds, this is one of the reasons its test only first, you in over your head. listen to catalyst if you want to somewhat save something here.
Well I have some nandrolone Decanoate so maybe that would be a better intro to 19-Nors?
You seem to have a very hard time listening to what's being said. The right and only answer is to stick with test only and the PCT. Deca, tren, etc., shouldn't even be in the discussion for 5-8 cycles from now.
Somehow I think I'm wasting my time and so are the others. I hope not, but you're the only one who can choose the right path here or continue down the wrong one.
SMH.......
Why bother asking, surely you can workout what people think? Lines like this just make you look like you have no idea what you're doing.
Do whatever you want fella, just stop posting it up and wasting people's time when you have zero intention of listening.
That doesn't sound very constructive. Maybe you don't know or remember but I was advised here to drop Drol and I did. After being off the drol for nearly two weeks my strength dropped. So basically I followed advice, lost strength then started up the drol again made big gains with no sides beyond tingling nipples for a couple of days which disappeared when I zapped it with Nolva and lowered my e2 + wiped out prolactin. So yes, I'm willing to listen and willing to actually follow advice but not willing to fuck around on half a gram of test for three months.
You listen to advice when you're in the shit, But otherwise you've got this cavalier "keep adding compounds" approach. Read through your posts, I'm not lying to you here. First cycle, "not willing to fuck around on half a gram of test etc". Why's that? This site is full of beginner cycles, but for some reason you're above those despite your experience level indicating otherwise.
In terms of being constructive, I disagree. This will at least go some way to ensure the less experienced members realise you're setting a very poor example. Such a poor example I'm tempted to -2 your post.
Basically I've been struggling for several years to get above 205-210 lean and couldn't do it. Now I'm nearly 230 and ready to cut. Not prepared to lose gains.
Edit: Please keep in mind I've run each compound in such a way as to get to know it and how to handle it. I'm familiar with drol and I've learned to dial in my AI. I'm taking things one step at a time so I get to know each compound.
RustyhookerAfter reading your prior posts and questions, you're messing up badly. First cycle with drol, now switching to tren at week 5.
Basically, I doubt you'll listen.....
That's why I'm asking. I've had no sides at all I couldn't solve. I get bloods done regularly. Ace is such a short ester I can drop and be clear quick. I have friends who did tren first cycle no problems. I have all ancillaries I need: caber, Letro, Aromasin, Nolva, Clomid etc. I just can't see the problem. I know a lot of guys get themselves into trouble but that's because they don't pull bloods regularly, don't have correct / legit ancillaries and don't know what they're doing. That's the way I see things but if you have a good reason why I'm wrong on this then by all means share.
Rustyhooker"'Ive had no sides at all I couldn't solve."
Then why so many posts? Why are you coming back broke begging help? You already know it all troll.