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+ 8 Lets Talk orals Part Deuce

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Today we will talk about another 2 that people use quite a bit.

Tbol (Turinabol)

Turninabol (dehydrochloromethyltestosterone) is derived from Dianabol. This oral does not promote water retention and estro side effects. Turinabol will give the user slow but quality gains. It is not an oral that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. The results will be solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also a good strength gainer. Turinabol's half life is 16.5 hours so doses of once a day will be effective; users who split the doses did not see any difference. The normal dose of this is 20mg/day although most will take up to 50mg a day. People do say that at 50mg a day they have received really good results as the strength gain alone is worth it.

The side effects depend on the dosage and will be gender-specific. in women, virilization symptoms occur and increase when they take more than 20 mg per day long period of time. Gyno occurs rarely. An increased libido is reported as well due to some part of the SHBG lowering capabilities Tbol has. Since Tbol is I 7-alpha alkylated liver function should be checked regularly since it can negatively affect the liver in high doses. Studies done on this oral from the Germans over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects. Although 10mg a day is pretty much worthless.

Dbol (Methandrostenolone)

Dianabol is one of the most effective orals for people looking to gain muscle mass as quick as possible. Most people say they gain 3 to 5 pounds a week. DBol half-life is roughly 5 hours and should be taken at once a day, though twice is more effective. Dbol has an anabolic rating of 210 and an androgenic rating of 60. Even with a mild androgenic rating, its androgenic appears to be higher than what it says. Dbol belongs to the C17-alpha alkylated family. Dbol has a strong hepatotoxic nature, with its high aromatizing abilities. Working with the body's receptors, Dbol promotes a few of the oral traits; and it does it with quite a bit of kick. Dosing ranges are 20mg a day although most will do upwards of 50-100mg per day. The side effects should outweigh the increase in dosing however. Dbol is notorious for promoting high blood pressure. The use of an AI is advised in attempt to avoid some of the most common side effects of its usage; this cannot be overstressed, you must keep your doses at a responsible level; most will need at least 20mg per day for any anabolic promotion, with a maximum dosing of 50mg per day. It should be noted; if you've never used Dbol before, DO NOT START WITH A HIGH DOSE; start low and see how you respond. You should also avoid aolcohol while using dbol or any oral steroid for that matter due to the raising of liver enzymes and the extreme stress dbol already does to your liver. Dbol; the swag of the Orals.

I hope you like reading boys and girls; more to follow!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Good D/bol.. and i mean GOOD Dbol when used in conjunction with an array (stack) of other compounds will totally overtake and cloud any progress from the said other compounds i have found... but sadly it is not as good as it was back in the day imo.

There will be some good stuff out there no doubt... but it will be like finding a needle in a haystack :(

Re; T/bol.. like i have said before, i have had zero from it and would only advise its use for women.. but Anavar is superior in strength gains and less toxic... so really T/bol is a redundant compound on the whole for Bodybuilders.

IrishMack's picture

I take it for its shbg properties, since you need to take about 100mg a day just to even get a tingle out of it. Anaver is superior by all means I wont question that.

Touching on the dbol and anavar, how come when they both 1st came out it was dosed so low compared to now with people taking for example 100mg of avar a day versus 7.5mg a day back when it came out? Dbol was 25mg a day as well and any more then that you pissed out your liver?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

It was all pharm grade bro...... var gave nose bleeds in the early days just from 20mg or something real low like that .... Dbol was real Dianabol.......... i used to use Pronabol caps which was real dianabol blended with aminos and vitamins, that was good stuff (indian)

IrishMack's picture

My ex girlfriend back in the 90's brother in law was a competitive bodybuilder and her sister got into a fight with him and gave me all his aas, he had a bottle of pharma anavar rated at 7.5mg and she told me he only took 1 a day because it made his piss dark red and he would get sick if he tried 2. the dbol was also 5mg pills but obviously not in a pharma bottle.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I love D/bol though brother.... love A/bombs too!......... Var/Winny combo is great pre-comp with A/bombs on the carb load days for filling out and gettin hard as iron.

Orals have their place for sure.... magic is getting the ratios spot on and not running them for too long.

Shotgun approach works best for me... to utilise binding affinities.

solidman's picture

Guru talk right there^^^
thanks for all the knowledge

MedDx's picture

I like that half-life....havent seen tbol mentioned much lately...

IrishMack's picture

Yeah, yould effectively get away with once a day but half in the morning and half at night will keep you stable.

IrishMack's picture

Bump so people can read again as we see more talk about orals in cycles lately.

MedDx's picture

Thx...

Dickkhead's picture

Nice work bro. Thumbs up from me. 401 just looks better too. Smile

Roid Noid's picture

where is this information coming from?

IrishMack's picture

Most of it comes from research I was doing; I crosschecked a lot because of misinformation everywhere as well. Some came from that llewelyn bible and underground pdf's I printed a long time ago. Is any of it not accurate?

Roid Noid's picture

We have had a lot of guys pick pieces from several forums in search of karma. Just making sure none of this is copy paste.

IrishMack's picture

Not here, Part of my research was from actual sites and not other forums because most of the other forums had misinformation or even more broscience then facts. But as you can see though I did not gain much if any karma anyways.

TheFlash85's picture

good posts mack, i think its good getting back to basics sometimes, its good for newbs to learn, was thinking last night, im doing chemicals and nutrition for a mate over here at the moment, he turned to me and said whats a calorie? i was stumped for a few seconds and thought wow, hes on aas and doesnt know what a calorie is, i said what do you think it is? he said is it sugar or salt? i shook my head.... its just a unit of measurement! i think theres alot of info to be passed on and earnt... back to basics i think. +1

norcuron's picture

Calorie :the amount of energy needed to increase the temp of 1 cc of water 1 degree C.

TheFlash85's picture

yes, a unit of measurement

birdbear27's picture

Jeez. "what's a calorie"

slap across his face

TheFlash85's picture

lol, he knows how to eat, his diet is good, he counts his calories, even weighs his portions, he just didnt know what a calorie actually was, this dudes a shredded version of me and you.

jack.leach's picture

This is a nice bit of info, just like the first one. Great for someone just wanted to know what is what.

birdbear27's picture

I like these keep it up bro. Simple, clear, to the point. This will help a lot of people. +1

NoX's picture

Again, thank you! +1 for contributing to the community

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IrishMack's picture

No problem; I just hope that the research I did will help others in their decisions on what to take and what it can do for them. I also do it to destroy the myths some people carry about an oral and I use science for the FDA approved ones and then research through "broscience" for the off ones.