posted Thu, 07/18/2019 - 23:54
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Anyone intelligent enough to understand the research done on deca and it’s affects on the brain in terms of anxiety, and addiction? I had someone recently tell me deca changes the chemistry in your brain and makes serotonin decrease and anxiety and depression increase and can also make people more susceptible to drug addiction? I only ever used NPP which I would think would have a similar affect but I loved it but after trying to research a little of the studies it got me a little concerned.
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Deca is a dna altering substance.
Every time we inject it it goes through a complicated process in our cells and cns to activate and start working in our system.
Its like a precursor its not active untill processed.
There is barely apart of our system that it doesnt affect.
Piturity, cells, receptors, organs, prostate, adrenal, liver, kidney, respitory, testes, sex hormones the list goes on.
Its also a cell hi jacker meaning it basically gets inside us and starts invading and occupying other cells that are already doing other jobs therefore causing confusion and shorted out electrical pathways.
It definatly affects chemicals in our brain, serotonin and dopamine being a couple but the dna altering functions also cause mental conditions due to other reasons such as cortisol and adrenal fatigue aswell as shut down.
Tren or deca ( nandrosomnia) is from cortisol.
The cough and respitory stress is carrier oils irritating capillarie ending causing itching and scratching then coughing.
Also the cardio sides are from imflammatory cytokines in respitory system you need cortico steroids like presidone to even out the proteins ratio so that theres more good ones than bad or atleast evened up numbers.
The cortisol can be handled fairly well with higher doses of vitamin c if your lucky.
My next tren run starting in september my zoloft will be doubled.
+1 I even understood that
Deca makes me insane in the brain along with Tren. (Rolling Eyes)
Alphamale500I'm unsure of any of these claims about Deca abd changing brain chemistry. I'm actually someone who has anxiety issues and I've never noticed anything but positive effects from Deca on my mood or my anxiety. I actually feel great and have less anxiety when running Deca and other AAS, than usual.
And yeah I would think that NPP and Deca would have the same effects since they're both the same compound, just with different esters.
if you consider the nature of injectibles (hormones) yes they do change brain chemistry .. and I am with you, I am on the anxious end of the spectrum and deca has never given me any issues with anxiety.. eq on the other hand...
Alphamale500Yes, I'd agree they can increase or decrease different chemicals or neurotransmitters in the brain. The one way that I do agree with deca changing brain chemistry, is if it causes you to develop clinical depression or anxiety. AAS are known to cause clinical depression and anxiety in some users, especially when cycling off the gear right? When that occurs, it's usually or at least sometimes caused by serotonin deficiency or other serotonin issues at the receptors in the brain.
So by definition, if the deca is the cause of the depression or anxiety which is causing these serotonin changes, then I'd have to say that deca can cause changes in brain chemistry. And I'm sure there's gotta be some other brain chemistry changes going on when I think about it.
Ohhh, don't ruin my planned eq cycle for me, Lol! Because I have some anxiety issues myself. Eq is the only injectable I've never ran before. I think, lol! Why, does it really cause a lot of anxiety? I have this awesome eq/test/npp/etc cycle all planned out for my next run! I was actually just talking about running this eq I got too. But my anxiety is at a controllable level. How bad is the anxiety from the eq for you??? Thks.+
I loooove EQ ... I have anxiety issues so I find that pinning more frequently seems to keep everything more stable ... do I have my moments when the cycle starts and blood levels aren't the most stable .. yes, but like I said pinning more frequently seems to help out quite a bit.
CibaEQ is a GABA stripper, GABA is a natural chiller. Thats why you get anxiety from EQ
good to know .. it seems like if I can keep it stable I can keep the anxiety at bay
Alphamale500Oh alright, cool! Like I was saying, I've never run eq before and I'm really looking forward to it. How often do you pin? I'm hoping that I'll love eq as well!!
alpha I am pinning every 3rd day .... I was trying to stretch it to 4 days but it seems like things are more stable pinning more frequently
Alphamale500Alright cool, that's good to know. Even with the really long acting ester in EQ, pinning that frequently makes a difference for you, huh?? I'm surprised that pinning it like that even makes a difference. But whatever works for you is what's really important right? Yeah, I've been wanting to give eq a run for a long time now. Can't wait, lol!! Thank you.
Regular cycle time period are always great for me. It’s the low dose, months on end, joint relief that cause me issues.
Alphamale500Speaking of joints, can you please try the supplement Theracurmin for joint health and mobility if possible? I've had amazing success with this for some shoulder pain I've been suffering from recently, and I really wanna see if other people have the success with it that I've had. And since it works so good, I wanna spread the word bro, lol!! If you have the chance, try it out.
I’ll look into it. Thanks.
Alphamale500I hear you.
DivineHDeca is addictive man.all steroids are.
Alphamale500Mentally yes. Physically, I don't think so.
I feel like superman when I run nandrolone. Tons of energy and a general sense of well-being.
Alphamale500Yeah, feels fuckn awesome right?
jayiskWatching and following 1 season of the "Kardashians" does more damage to the brain then any AAS.
Just look at Kayne West now..
Alphamale500That's true as well, lol!! Yeah, Kayne has some serious mental problems!! Any black guy that colors his hair that blonde color or whatever has problems!!
jayiskyeah, he is bi-polar, hooked on pain pills, and is married to a Kardashian..,that is a trifector for disaster.
Alphamale500Lol, but I seen this comment and totally forgot about a few of the hardest effected people that were connected to the Kardashians. Maybe a lot earlier, but still! OJ Simpson, Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman happened to get some of the special "Kardashian touch" as well!! Shit, then you can actually include Johnnie Cochran too! Fuck man, I think there really is a Kardashian curse, Lol!
Alphamale500That it is, lol!! Every male that's either a Kardashian or related to the Kardashians, or just connected to them in any way seems to have their lives get all fucked up!! Kanye, Bruce Jenner, both Rob Kardashians, Lamar Odom, Lamar's friend Jamie that died, Scott Disick and all the others. You can literally make a long list!! That's fuckn crazy bro isn't it?! Lol!
jayiskThe craziest part is the Kardashian are so fawking rich. They all became millionaires because one released a sex tape with an R & B singer.
That is how they started off.
My daughters teacher lied to the students and said they are famous because of their dad. I told her the truth. I said no they put out a sex tape, got t.v. shows, and sell other products.
Alphamale500I think it's because of some unique circumstances. Her father was one of OJ's lawyers, they were able to get that show, she hung out with Paris Hilton, Kim made her sex tape right after Paris, so basically yeah, it's definitely more to do with Kims sex tape than anything else! Fuckin Kylie Jenner was on the cover of Forbes magazine and it said shes worth 1 billion dollars!! Can you believe that shit? I think it said shes the youngest female billionaire, and one of the few selfmade female billionaires there are in the world! No matter what it's really from, from their point of view who cares right? Now they're like one of the richest families in the world!!
I'd like to fuck any one of them! I think I'd like to fuck Kendal the most. Or there's really just something about Kourtney that turns me on and makes me wanna fuck her!! Maybe it's because she seems like the one who you can maybe actually fuck, like she's obtainable in real life. I wouldn't even wanna fuck kim. I mean i would, but there's just something about her like she thinks she's too good for anyone!! Fuck her bro. Lol, I'd even fuck Chris Jenner! That's what I really need to do is marry a girl with money like that. Lol!
I used low dose deca for joint relief with my trt for months. I became paranoid and started to have anxiety. Things I NEVER had before. Once I stopped, they faded away and I haven’t had any similar feelings since.
Something I won’t be using again.
CibaHow much did you use?
I was only using 80-100 a week. Didn’t start to see issues until after several months.
CibaDamn weird shit bro, never heard something crazy like that before. Never tried deca tbh, I tend to stay away from compounds that potentially can kill your dick for a long time while on cycle.
RustyhookerThen avoid test too! And no orals either. They ALL wreck your dick if you dont know what youre doing.
CibaI've neard heard people talk about test dick, while deca dick is well know phenomenon. That's what I was aiming at. But you are right they can all wreck you dick.
RustyhookerLmao..... facepalm ..... point was estro and prolactin. I will leave ya there....
CibaLmao... it's much easier to control estrogen while doing an test only cycle than estrogen AND prolactin while doing a test and deca cycle, that's where the whole deca dick thing comes from. So yes I'd rather stay away from a compound like deca.
RustyhookerThe idea i pushed of research is keeping e2 in control and prolacin shouldnt be a concern. And researching the safe/mild remedy for prolactin control. Knowing the in and outs gives you a bigger view. And testostetone cycles too raise prolactin.....more research.
Lots to learn
jayiskFor some people its not the steroids that kill their dick. They just havent realized they are trying to have sex with the wrong gender. Just need to let their flag fly...
RustyhookerHahaha...true true
as is the case with testosterone and tren, deca in supraphysiological doses has been shown to be neuro toxic.
No surprise some suffer from anxiety.
^^^ this right here is the stuff people over look all the time
Right on!
CibaWas wondering about that aswell, since tren another 19-nor has been linked with alzheimer and amyloid plaque in the brain. But I think we would have heard about that because deca has much more human research behind it than tren.
I have always been anxiety prone which is why I don't want to take the risk with any 19-nors. However, I do use primo as a replacement when stacking compounds and I feel AMAZING. I don't want to have more anxiety and a dick not able to function lol.
Alot of steroids believe it or not will affect the brains chemistry in some way. Why else you believe Sarms were invented then? I even heard a podcast from AdvicesRadio with Dr. Stevenson explaining how a study with rats given trenbolone later in life developed Dementia.
I have heard alot of people claiming 19-nors do give them depression. I do agree as well it deff has to do with playing with your prolactin/Dopamine levels.
I am okay with my test and primo. Works great for me lol.
Deca never made me feel anxiety. Made me more confident. My dick didn’t work though.
jayiska little more concerned about Deca and the Dick...no homo
That’s weird cause I’ve had anxiety my whole life and ptsd the past 3 years and I’ve used deca twice and when I’m on deca my ptsd and anxiety goes away deca makes me feel amazing
I agree brother. The best I’ve ever felt was on npp and I too have had bad anxiety all my life and I was happy and not anxious during my npp run
I don't think this is specific to Nandrolone, these drugs (AAS) helps you train harder and more than you could naturally (You recover also faster, so more training is possible ...). Even if you train clean but harder you are at risk to exhaust serotonin levels and thus you will lost your positive attitude, the desire to train ... and you can fell into a depression and it can takes days before the motivation comes again. That's why it is very important to understand that the recovery is not a waste of time, you must cycle to let your body the time its needs to refill what has been exhausted or you will crash. I know three AAS who have a fast action on my mood. Methandienone, which can gives me a positive feeling, Oxymetholone which can makes me sad and anxious, and Tren which can be makes me aggressive, there are certainly others. For the drug addiction, I have noticed that with testosterone I am more prone to take risk, so I feel less concerned by the consequences.
Wow, the first sentence was pretty brutal. Is anyone intelligent enough to research for you? I know the answer to your question but since I actually took the time to find it I won't share. Job security you know.
The answer is out there. Look for it. Anything in excess can possibly cause addiction especially drugs.
He said, "Is anyone intelligent enough to understand..."
Implying that he does not understand and is looking for clarification. I agree, it is poorly stated.