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unorthadox back treatment any comments or suggestions , feedback ?

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I'm new to the world of getting my gear online and eroids. Thanks to eroid community, I have found a good source and several decent labs as well. Here's the story... I've been stocking for my cycle soon to start and out of the blue for no apparent reason my back goes out on me again. (I've had several back surgeries for ruptured disks and stynosis sp? and it's never been quite right since)I call my back surgeon and he has left the building so I get this new guy who first off I can't even get in to see for several weeks and then informs me that because I smoke he won't perform surgery unless Im smoke free at least 45 days. WTF! if I could quit 45 days I would quit for good ..... fuckin idiot! Anyway, I'd been eating percosett like they are m&m's for the last month and even then very little relief the pain is so severe and still have untill may 8th to see the surgeon and get my MRI done. My regular family Dr. says it's muscle spasms (which she diagnosed with out an mri.....which I requested to get) loads me up on muscle relaxers and nerve pills. Several weeks in on that and absolutley NO relief at all and pregressivly getting worse by the day.
I'm laying in bed one night unable to sleep because the pain was so bad, I was damn near about to fire up my chain saw and remove a leg......yeah it's seriously that bad. I eat 3 or 4 perc 10's and still miserable and I'm thinking I can't take this anymore! I don't want another surgery especially just before summer, but then again I can't live like that. Well by this point I'm willing to try just about ANYTHING. So I get this bright Idea and go swipe an insulin needle from my grandmother (lol, can't harly ask the preachers wife for a point )Yeah of course the gear was slow to draw into such a small point but I got it. My bro stops by and I have him stick me (cause I couldn't reach it) right at the source of the pain. I mixed about 1/4 ml of deca and 1/4ml of tren A. Low and behold I wake up the next morning and I can actually stand up straight!! I've been walking around all hunched over like an ape for a month. Now it didn't take the pain completely but I was able to walk, stand ect.for the first time in quite some time. It's been just over a week and the pain is coming back so I'm thinking of trying this concoction again only using 1/2ml of each to see if I have better results. While it definitly did not cure my problem but I definitly could get through the summer functionaly without surgery if it stays like this. I'm just curious of any opinions as to why that worked (since it was muscle and not joint pain) Anyone else have back problems with suggestions or any recomendations as to what I can inject that may be more potent on the problem? Any feedback is greatly appriciated. I've learned a wealth of information since finding eroids and definitly think Ill have better cycles now that I know more about pct and treatment for the sides. At this point I'll try anything.

NoPain's picture

I highly doubt it was the gear. The power if the mind is incredible. Perhaps it was high hopes that it would work or perhaps it was just time to feel better. Ive often noticed when my back goes out, it can take a long time to feel better then like you, overnight I feel a big difference. Make sure when you hit that point to keep resting amd letting it heal up. Introduce your routine slowly dont dive back in as you were pre injury.

Ive also had back problems for years, it sucks to deal with and like wheels said, the best medicine is physical therapy and stretching. Buy an inversion table. It was the best investment I made. It has helped me a lot especially when I get out of whack. It turns a week or two long recovery into a few days

wheels's picture

Just to speculate about why your injection worked, you most likely injected into the muscle that was in spasm, maybe causing it to stretch out a little and unlock the spasm, which is basically a charlie horse.

I've had back problems for over 30 years--herniated disc, degenerative disc disease, bone spurs, etc..

I've at one time or another tried chiropractic, MDs with their muscle relaxers and opiates, acupuncture, massage therapy, tens therapy, glucosamine and condroiton, Deca (but not in the back), and finally physical therapy. I think the only thing I haven't tried is cortisone shots into the spine.

The only thing that has worked was physical therapy, consisting of specific stretches and exercises. Believe it or not stretching, squats, and dead lifting together has helped my back more than all the opiates in the world--well I really, really liked the opiates until the day they just stopped working due to tolerance buildup. Withdrawals sucked big time too.

I never believed some namby pamby physical therapy would do shit but it did. It works by forcing the muscles in spasm to relax, and stops them from pulling your spine even further out of alignment, causing even worse pinching of the nerves, which is the root cause of the pain.

I thought the physical therapist was a stupid quack when he told me to get up and do these stretches. He obviously didnt understand how much pain I was in. Just the thought of stretching my back out when I was in that much pain made me want to kill him.

But it worked. My back is more pain free now than at any time in the last 30 years.

Even if you decide not to try this, I would suggest you get your MD to give you a referral to a specialist who can do cortisone injections, since you obviously aren't worried about getting needles stuck into your back!

I sincerely wish you the best of luck getting the pain under control. And watch out for the opiates--addiction to those high quality Rx opiates ain't no joke!

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Actually what your saying makes perfect sense, and right on par with what my family dr. is trying to tell me (I thought maybe she was quaking outon me too). I tried the cortisone shots before my first surgery and they did nothing but then again I had 3 ruptured disks and 2 herniated so it probably wouldn't at that point. I'm willing to try them again if it will keep me from getting another surgery. Actually I'm going to try everything mentioned to me thus far. The only thing I haven't tried is a chiropractor, but that may be worth a shot if it really is a muscle spasm. I know my insurance will cover physical therapy because I was offered it after my last surgery, but kind of like you said I thought I don't need someone to show me how to exersize but I'm definitly going to ask the surgeon on the 8th. Man If you have delt with this for 30 years your a bigger man than me! And I usually tolerate pain very well. And yeah, I definitly need to back off the pills because I'm finding myself wanting to take them as heavy as I was even though I have had some relief this week. Not good , I have enough problems in life with out adding drug addict to the list lol. I appriciate all the feedback because Im just beside myself in fear this is going to ruin me being able to cycle and killing my summer. Not to mention the sheer agony of it all. Thanks again.......I'm finding eroids to be an invaluble wealth of knowledge, I've been lurking around since before the first of the year but just finally starting to participate. I find it kinda funny as there are a couple other boards I have been trolling as well and everytime I go to one of them within the first few posts I read usually at least one if not more of them are bashing eroids and community, about how the gear is bunk, reviews are paid for ect......all the while the site is filled with banners for "legal" steroids even calling it test, tren and so on. So , hmmmm lets make an educated guess about who's pushing the bunk gear. (legal steroids my ass!) When I log in here I don't see people bashing other steroid sites, just from what I can tell good honest opinions and advice. And yup I've been watching a few of the top suppliers a few months to see if any negative reviews have been removed.......nope all there still even months later. Ha ha I know that was kind of off topic but I just wanted to shout a big thanks to the eroid community

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And yes you were correct as I did inject directly in the center of the muscle....thankfully far enough away from my spine to do so safely.

IrishMack's picture

Interesting; do you think maybe it was not the gear that gave you relief; but the pressure it caused on your muscle group giving you shit? Pressure is a great pain reliever. I have to wear a brace on my forearm when i work out or else I double over in pain. The pressure it puts on my forearm stops the muscle from stretching too far. Deca does not work overnight so that is my opinion on what caused some of your relief.

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I'm not sure what actually caused the relief to be honest. I've never used deca in my cycles as a healer but just to bulk soI can't honestly say how long it takes to work. But from my understanding (I've been known to be wrong once or twice in my life lol)deca is a joint reliever due to the fact that it provides extra water ie.buffer in between joints if I stand correct that was why I didn't understand getting relief from it. I only threw the tren in with it because I was told that it actually helps muscle to recover faster.I just was researching the tb500 suggested below and I think I'll add it to my order I'm placing fri. Figure it can't hurt

TheFlash85's picture

deca releases anti imflammatory cytokines, thats where the joint relief comes from, not fluid retention, otherwise test would do it to.

Nitti's picture

Deca accelerates the growth of collagen. Type 1 collagen. It isn't actually repairing connective tissue and the temporary pain relief comes from that surge of type 1 collagen acting as a cushion. But the ratio of type 1 to type 3 being thrown off so far, you'll hurt yourself even more when the effects wear off. That term "fluid in the joints or retention" is more of a foolguese explanation for collagen synthesis. "Lubricating effect on the joints" is a popular one.

TheFlash85's picture

yes indeed brother there are 3 ways it works, lol i shouldnt of been lazy and elaborated lol because its off topic, because deca is a progestin it stimulates the progesterone receptor, that highly increses the amount of pain killing anti imflammatory cytokines in your system and drastically de creases the amount of pro imflammatory cytokines , when people use drugs like winny and letro, they complain of achy joints due to lack of fluid, these drugs including mast reduce the good pain killing cytokines, hence the joint discomfort, i always feel nice and smooth on deca as if i was tin man and someone is oiling my elbows whilst training, its a good feeling, im not telling you this lol just writing it up, i wonder if there is a difference??? like somone who has a pain gets releif from the cytokines and someone who doesnt have pain gets the nice smooth effects of the joint lubracation (collagen) ? this is a topic im keen to learn about more, im interested in the androgen cortico effects too??? cheers brother

IrishMack's picture

Just for shits and giggles try a brace and see if it helps give you some relief. it has helped me to some degree and maybe it can help you because if you are not careful you are going to get an opiate addiction like a motherfucker.

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But come to think of it , thats worth a try maybe wearing a back brace for a few days and see what happens

stretch_95's picture

Have you tried any TB 500? I would think what pain relief you are getting is from the deca. Just my educated guess

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Yeah, my guess was the deca also. But no I have not tried tb500, and to be honest I've never even heard of it but Like I said at this point I'm willing to try anything so I will definitly look into it as I'm about to place another order in a few days. Thanks, for the reply

stretch_95's picture

My girlfriend has had chronic leg, hip, and lower back pain since I met her nearly 4 year ago. The entire IT band of nerves down her leg hurts almost constantly. She has been to chiropractors and pain management doc for years. Pain management docs were able to give her some relief with cortisone injects, burning of nerves, and drug regiment. The drug regiment was only lortabs when I met her but right before I got her on the tb 500. the drug cocktail was a combination of tabs, gaba, and flexaril 4 times a day. Heck she couldn't even function after one dose of this combo. I told her even if she got to a point where she could function on this combo and was actually pain free. She would soon need a new liver. So finally after months of begging and pleading and the what have u got to lose if it doesn't work speech over and over. She agreed to try TB500 and had already started PT. We started with 4 mg for 4 weeks and after 4 weeks we cut the dose back to 2 mg per week. She was pain free by the next morning. After a couple of weeks of her using TB500 the PT was blown away with her improvement and release her from his care. He agreed it had worked wonder that he could believe himself. The pain slowly returned in the passing day after a injection but is no where near the level it was and it stops or reduces with each weekly injects. She hasn't taken pain killers in months and her physical activity level is unreal compare to what it was before TB 500. She is currently working with a personal trainer 3 days a week at the gym and plays softball a couple of times a week now. Before she could only play a game of softball and suffer for a week from the pain. So by all means give TB 500 a try. Like I told her what have you got to lose. I may try her on a small dose of deca after some more research thanks to your post. Also have been looking at HGH

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Appriciate the info bro because that is where the majority of my pain is also in my leg. Like you said it's definitly worth a try. I did some research on it after your mention of it because I had never heard of tb500 but I like what I'm reading about it. Hell I have blown a lot more than that the last few months playing aroundn with different sources and labs because I notice it's a little pricey. But hey if it works I'd buy a bottle a day! Yeah and I know what your saying about the "SPEACH", my sis walked in on me a few years back pinning when I spent the weekend. She has always commented on my figure at our age and over easter she was like hey bro they make anything for a woman? LOL after giving me hell for so long. She's a year younger then I and beginning to get a littlw wiggle in her walk so to speak. So I did a little homework and ordered her some anavar on my last order. I'm kind of curious myself to see the results. I personally have only ever run test, deca, tren cycles but I too have been thinking about trying the HGH. So if you start putting it in your stack let me know the results. Placing an order tomorrow and have added the tb500 to my list so I'll be sure and let you know the results of it. I know the deca thing sounds crazy but it seriously did ease the pain enough I could at least function....lasted roughly 4 to 5 days but hey I was able to walk all week. Like mentioned above, the power of the mind is very powerfull so I really can't say but I just pinned the knot again yesterday evening minus the tren(as the gear I have on hand has a pretty nasty bite even in small doses)and again this morning I had some relief. While it's nothing to win a prize off of in medical journals but enough I can function normally a few days. I looked on good old youtube the proper stretch and exersizes for my condition and started that before a light workout this morning and I think the pt is definitly worth giving a go also cause that seemed to help some too. Like you said about your gf I can't function without the pills but by the time I take enough to get relief I'm so high I can't function anyway