+ 1 Labwork collected 3/18/13
I didn't have the testosterone count taken because I don't want to alert my insurance. I am getting Watson test cyp 200mg from the pharmacy with a $15 co-pay every month and don't want to F. That up.
I have noticed my libido has been in the can and I can see why now. My freaking estro is too high. It's 451 and should be 130 or less. I'm going to have to increase my aromasin.
If any of you ever wondered about the quality of muta's caber look at the numbers!!! 2-18 is normal and I have less than 1. That's taking a half of a wafer every three freaking days!
On my cycle you will see the aromasin dosage is 12.5mg eod. I have been using purchase peptides liquid at a dosage of 6.25mg ed. I don't think there is anything wrong with the aromasin, I just think I need to use more. I am going to dose at 12.5mg ED and see what happens.
Any advice or critique is welcome
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12.5mg eod IMO is a pretty good dose, but that is relative to the cycle.. What are you running?
Aaaa....High E2, the silent weenie killer. It will get you every time.
6.25mg/Aromasin ED still should have pulled your E2 down lower then that don't ya' think? Whats the difference between 12.5mgEOD and 6.25mg ED ?
I was running 600mg of T-Eth/wk and only taking 12.mg of Aromaisn every 3rd day and my E2 was @ 21 brother.
Aromasin half life is 27 hours so EOD causes fluctuations in serum levels. Your e2 would be good depending on when you drew blood.
you are catching on well, young grasshopper. lol
That's true friend, but read this. Remember we are talking AI here
I have that favorited, that's exactly why I dose Ed. I've got bloods confirming steady serum levels. My most recent was at 5-6.25 ED from the same source as the OP's and my E2 was at 18. Granted, I was two weeks into pct, so I can see that the OP may need to up his dose. I ran 12.5mg ED during my cycle (same source) and kept e2 at less than 40. I think the aromatization process is unique to the individual and should always be confirmed with bloods but by understanding the half life of the compound we can at least attempt to maintain steady serum levels.
Yup yup brother, I too agree with mataining steady serum levels, and also agree that everyone A-process is unique, I was just questioning why his E2 was through the roof with EOD dosing of a confirmed legit scr's product. It's a controversial debate as to the actual effictiveness of how quickly Aromasin pulls E2 down, and for some it just a matter of days with 12.5mg/EOD. I was able to maintain a E2 level of 21 with 12.5mg every third day, and with a 27 hr half life I can see where this would be controversial. The key words, as you has mentioned, are everyone aromatization process is unique.. Couldent agree more.
AnonI was taking the aromasin 6.25mg everyday, now I'm going to take it 12.5 everyday then get blood tests again and see where I'm at.
Click on Main: 12-19-2012 Cycle to see my cycle of gear and dosage
My bad, just checked it. If you're not extra prone to aromatization/estrogen related sides, then I would say 12.5mg EOD should easily keep ur levels in check for that cycle. Have u used this particular Aromasin before? And have u tried different AIs before?
This might sound silly, but are u shaking the arom bottle well before withdrawing from the solution? Homogeneity is usually a problem with liquid chemicals.
Again, imo, I dont think 300mg Test and 600mg EQ should require more than 12.5mg EOD.
in terms of plasma levels due to half life, 6.25 ED vs 12.5 EOD are very similar. the main difference here would be a higher spike followed by a more significant drop with the EOD protocol.
remember: half life with aromasin is roughly 27hr
Is this directed at me? I never mentioned any difference between 6.25ED and 12.5EOD, I totally think it's the same thing.
it was more or less meant for anyone reading... although the math seems to add up the same, the active duration in the body makes the two dosing protocols slightly different.
Oh okay. Exemestane being a suicidal inhibitor, I think it would really make no difference whatsoever in one's cycle.
just depends on what they're running and how high the doses are. aromatase is synthesized in response to elevating testosterone levels. this synthesis is going to be dose dependent - the higher the test, the greater the enzyme levels. similarly, hcg effects e2 levels.
so, depending on the cycle and the individual, a more aggressive protocol may be necessary. for me, at 500mg test a week, 12.5 EOD puts my e2 levels around 50. 6.25 ED actually does a better job for that does. at 750-1000/wk i have to run it at 12.5 ED or slightly higher depending on sides.
AnonDont forget the tren e also at 400mg a week
I'm not surprised about Muta's caber. I had a mass spectrometer test conducted as well as identical prolactin readings that attested to its quality. I've used PP aromasin with great success in the past...but using a 12.5mg ED. Hopefully, your changes takes care if this. +1 for updated muta caber results.
AnonI'm always happy to hear from you bro. I have a new bottle of aromasin from PP and really want to give these guys a chance because I believe its a good product. I'm thinking 12.5mg everyday will do the trick too.
Mutas caber is for sure the real deal! Thank you for the +1 my friend!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkdamn son! that e2 is high as fk!! even at 6.25 ED, it shouldn't be that high. here's my labs on their aromasin at 12.5 EOD
http://www.eroids.com/pics/week-5-of-current-cycle
451??? jeez... i'd love to make some suggestions, if you're open to them. but can i first ask what your plan is to correct this?
Anoni'm always open to suggestions on anything bro. I have another bottle of aromasin from PP, I also have some aromasin and letro in pill form from kalpa.
I'm all ears, talk to me.
Here's what I think is going on (strictly thoughts, not experiences). Tren hogs AR's which leads to greater free test which leads to more test to aromatize into e2. I would, at night, hit 25mg of your aro, then 12.5 Ed for a week and get new bloods. One thing I notice about taking aro at night is I wake up and pee for 5 minutes. I feel like I lose a pound of water overnight.
Anon/well, as high as my count was it isnt going to hurt me to try this. I'll do it tonight and get back with you
i agree.
25mg ED for a week then retest. i watched a guy with 800+ on estradiol half his numbers in a week with 25mg ED.
one of the flaws that i don't like with privatemd's female hormone panel is that it doesn't measure total estrogen. instead, it measures estradiol (e2) only. estradiol is only one of the estrogen hormones - estradiol, estrone, and estriol. the numbers i talked about for myself below are e2 only, not total estrogen like you have here.
i think the aromasin will be sufficient. if it proves to not be, then a letro protocol may be needed. i highly doubt this will be the case.
Anongood grief man... 800+?
Are you saying that the blood test that I have is better that privatemd's test?
I also have letro on hand from kalpa also if I need it.
I started the 25mg a day of kalpa today, should I notice my libido come back as estrogen goes down?
privatemdlabs offers a complete estrogen panel. i just go with the female hormone panel bc i get the e2 add-on along with test serum, lh, fsh, and metabolic panel. in terms of checking estrogen, a complete panel (like what you have here) would be more ideal.
as for your libido, yes. it should return once your levels fall back within normal range. i think 25mg a day for 7 days will work. we need to find your sweet spot either with adex or aromasin so that we can avoid this in the future. if at all possible, continue running blood work periodically until we find it.
AnonYou got it bro, thanks for your help!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNo prob. Keep us posted?
Chaz32621Whats up with the comments saying fasting??? I dont understand that??
AnonI didn't eat or drink anything for 12 hours before I gave a sample.
Chaz32621Ahhh did u go to an endocrinologist or just ur general doc???
AnonFasting is specified by the lab company not the Doc. Food can skew some test results.