posted Tue, 07/09/2013 - 09:51
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next cycle planning any advice greatly appreciated!!
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
| Week | Test E | EQ | Mast E | Aromasin (if needed) | PCT(Nolva) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 2 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 3 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 4 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 5 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 6 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 7 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 8 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 9 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 10 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 11 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 12 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 13 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 14 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 15 | 500mg | 600mg | 400mg | 25mg | |
| 16 | 500mg | 25mg | |||
| 17 | 500mg | 25mg | |||
| 18 | |||||
| 19 | |||||
| 20 | 40mg | ||||
| 21 | 40mg | ||||
| 22 | 20mg | ||||
| 23 | 20mg |
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FoolMeOnceIf your curious about my tren experiences add me and ill pm you my insane results. I just dont want to get into specifics on here because these eroids guys look down upon certain things I may or may not be doing ;)
safetyfirst21FR sent. PM me. I'm curious.
safetyfirst21Deca should be run for at least 12 weeks, then the Test at least 2 weeks longer. The Decanoate ester is super long. Arimidex will only help with estrogen, even then you will likely have a rebound as its not a suicide AI like Aromasin. You'll need some Prami or Caber for the prolactin issue caused by 19nors (nandrolone and trenbolone). You should also HIGHLY consider HCG on cycle to help prevent total shutdown. Whats your PCT look like? Honestly, I feel nearly all the "premade" cycles that you can buy from companies are borderline retarded. They don't really follow safe protocol.
Yea after reading other people's cycle logs it sounds like people don't use deca or any 19-nor for the second or even third cycle, since it shuts you down so hard. I'm still on the fence about deca and was thinking about running the test 500mg/week and eq 250mg at 600or 500mg/week for 20 weeks since its aromatization is much weaker than deca. I know eq also kicks in much slower than deca but I'm willing to wait a few cycles and start with the slower stuff than jump right into the hard gear right away. I was also thinking of including a test prop kicker for the first 4 weeks but I have such bad PIP idk if its a good idea. As for caber and prami, I saw caber is about 11$ per pill!!! Lol crazy expensive!! My PCT for this cycle was just simply going to be clomid 100/100/50/50. Why do guys use clomid as well as nova?? I thought they both do the same thing. What do you think about eq? I feel like its much more "nub" friendly and safer for beginners.
And thanks for the input!!
safetyfirst21Its really goal dependent between the two. I've heard some prefer EQ or Deca. Its all personal preference really. EQ is clean, lean, slow gains. Deca gets more mass and power or so some report. I've yet to try either. In Deca is supposedly great for joints due to water retention. In animal studies it has been shown to increase collagen synthesis, which also explains the joint benefits. EQ (in animal studies) is shown to increase collagen synthesis greater than Deca. Animals studies are animal studies, but I like to consider them heavily. Its up to you to decide what you want really. I'd really just suggest researching the two extensively and deciding for yourself. I need the joint help as well, as I've had many injuries. Ultimately, I've decided on EQ, I have some on the way for the end of this year, or, more likely early next year. I'm going to do a bit of an experiment on myself based on human and animal studies related to collagen synthesis (PM me to elaborate, if you like). EQ needs to be run pretty long 14+ weeks at a decent dose. A lot of people say 600mg+pw. I'm going for 750mg. I may decide to order more when I get more gear, as I'm not at all ready to start. I like the idea of Caber, only 2 doses per week. The price and fact that it takes a little time to take effect is what makes me dislike it. I'm sure I'll run it eventually. For the price, quick effect, and "sleep aid" I like Prami, I am currently using it. Clomid and Nolva are both used as they both effect LH and FSH in a positive way. I don't recall the numbers in regards to Clomid binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue, however, I know Nolva is quite effective in this regard. This is important as both compounds also increase e2 levels. This is a reason Aromasin is great in PCT as it helps with the e2 problems in addition to its own positive effect on LH and FSH. Using Aromasin also allows for a lower dose of Nolva, my assumption is do to the lowering of e2, thus lowering the need for help in the breast tissue. This is very beneficial when dealing with 19nors as they increase prolactin, Nolva will also do so for the first 2 weeks of use, so a lower required dose keeps the risks down.
FoolMeOnceI love deca! But if your looking for more muscle mass, id recommend giving tren out for a try. Low dose it at 100mg-300mg/wk just to see how you react. As far as your blood pressure and cholesterol, keep your diet clean. 2 fruits, 2 vegetables, balanced macro nutrition and no more than 300 calories above maintenance everyday. Not much you can do as far as water retention, although you shouldnt even be worrying about that. If your really concerned with your cardiovascular health, then scratch off the tren idea and stick with deca.
I've heard great things about tren but I haven't done nearly enough reading on it to use it for my second cycle. I'm feeling pretty set on eq for the second cycle in October but hey if you guys can convince me to use deca ill deff give it a try since the results are amazing from what I've read and the fact that deca helps with joint health is also a plus. Have you used eq before??
FoolMeOnceMe personally no, ive never tried eq. Although my friend did and he didnt have anything amazing to say about it. Id say go with npp or deca before you go with eq. Also theres not much to it when it comes to tren. Just make sure you have some caber or prami on hand. Start with a short ester "ace" just in case you react badly to it or hate it. If you bust your ass + having perfect macro nutrition the results are nothing short of AMAZING!
safetyfirst21Agreed