posted Tue, 02/28/2023 - 22:11
STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
*****EDITED CYCLE AS I WAS GETTING CARRIED AWAY ADDING LOADS THAT WASENT NEEDED LOL*********
Hi this is what i plan to do for my first cycle
Just wondering does any one have any thoughts on it being a good starter cycle
Test e will be 2x jabs weekly
And With Regards adex
I just put 0.25 for now starting on week 4 to be taking on injection days and possibly adjust week 6 acording to blood results
|15||Clomid 100mg||Nolva 40mg|
|16||Clomid 50mg||Nolva 20mg|
|17||Clomid 50mg||Nolva 20mg|
|18||Clomid 50mg||Nolva 20mg|
Keep us updated.
Do you know your SHBG at baseline? If it's on the lower end your free test is gonna be thru the fuckin roof with half a gram of test lol. Might not be a bad thing, but consider 300mg/week. Just get that bloodwork done friend!
Not sure yet bro on my bloods but when i get them done im going to post results for before during and after cycle
I would use Nolvadex during cycle and just in case you’re prompt to gyno. Just a thought.
Thanks for you input bro...got two questions for ya on that if thats ok?? If i was to routinly use nolvadex on cycle as a precaution (and then adex when needed )what should i dose the nolva at daily or weekly ect
and lastly do you no with nolvadex is it similar to other AI,S that if having it through cycle and if i was not prone to estro sides can i end up crashing my estro on it?
Nolva is not an AI. Don't take shit you don't need.
Makwa is the Man --
You'll likely need the AI every to every other day. Maybe even start it sooner, depending on sides. You mentioned bloods. Be sure you get a full hormone panel if you're getting them done. Also, Arimidex isn't a suicide inhibitor, so you may have to deal with rebound after discontinuation. You should taper it off throughout your final weeks. I, personally, will only use Aromasin anymore just because of the suicide factor. PCT is okay. You could double week 16 to match 15; this is pretty standard, but, you're likely fine where you stand.
Arimidex eod to e3d. Aromasin every to eod...
Eod is huge on ai. Ive read yout taboo bs post and replies on here. You might read a LOT before replying and advising. Your advice is hazardous at best
I don't really read the comments before mine too often. I disagree on the AI however. Arimidex could go as long as e3d. I preferred eod. Aromasin is what I was aiming at with the everyday, I forgot to clarify.
Arimidex could go as long as NOT NEEDED AT ALL. He won’t know until bloodwork is done. Unnecessary drugs are, well, unnecessary.
But it’s the guys first cycle ever. How is he supposed to know if he is even prone to estro sides if he starts taking it without actually needing it. That’s equivalent to advising someone to taking NyQuil every other day in the winter to prevent catching a cold.
Why so much ?
Whats your training like?
How’s your diet?
Have you had your general health looked at? Like going in to the doctor and getting a full panel done.
I never understood why using so much so early is a real thing. You need to know where your at to know where going. Leave yourself room for growth. A little can go a long way when your pushing your body lifting hard eating right and sleeping. Then use the gear when you max out and need the aid to recover and lift a little more than what you can normally do on your own.
Youll be amazed once you have all the other boxes check out through good habits what you can get away with using small amounts of gear.
What would you reccomend a starting dose to be buddy?
Im a big proponent of small amounts to see how i would react. I mean its something new to your body so why not get the most from the least. Gain experience with how your body reacts not what others tell you or what you read. If you feel the gear game is for you then there’s always room for growth right? You can always climb the latter later
The 500mg i plan to take is not set in stone for me yet bro, but everyone i speak to and everything i read on beginner cycles ect seem to say 500 weekly a good place to start
I will be posting diet and training routien tomorow i would be happy to hear your input on it too bro. and also posting blood results when i do get bloods tested before starting any cycle
Cut back on that Prop and Arimadex, Bro! I ONLY use Arimadex when necessary, itchy nipples, bloating, etc. Test Prop is kinda unnecessary for a first cycle. I can understand you wanting to kick it off, but you don’t know how your body is going to react yet, so why over do it, and risk having to drop your cycle entirely. Get a feel for things this time around, straight Test E. Concentrate on you diet and bust your ass in the gym. The juice will do nothing without those two things in check. Take it from someone who’s done a lot of wrong shit. I wish eroids existed when I ran my first cycle. Good luck!
Thanks for ur reply bro
Ya i edited the whole cycle above in the spreadsheet cutting prop out completely and not using adex untill week 4 at low doses untill blood tests at 6 week mark.. i no this website/users is a fucking gift from god bro lol
Gyno/adex ect is proving to be the toughest thing i can learn about as theres so many opinions on it and its the thing i worry about most been reading all this type of stuff
Start adex week 1 to 12
Start week 4 low dose adex and adjust when bloods tested if needed ( which i was going to do)
And others say take when needed
(But sometimes theres replys to that saying if you take when u feel gyno effects coming on ur prob too late in catching it
Im either going to stick with what one im at or do what u reccomend adex wise...
Start your adex low dose with your last shot week 4. Then continue with .25mg with every shot and get bloods done week 6 to confirm dosage. You are not going to get any gyno this way and it the is safest and most effective way to dose it and then bloods will confirm if you need to increase or decrease or stay the course. This dosing works for the majority of people using it and is enough to prevent any gyno sides but not enough to crash estro until you can get bloodwork done. Pretty much foolproof. Veer off this course and you are on your own.
Thanks for your input bro..yea it was your routine i had planned when it comes to using adex from the get go...check my chart above out....it was a good read that post was tho. id advise all to read it maybe everyone can then get on the same page that dont no there ai dose ect as theres SOOO many different opinions on ai doses
i do appreciate the advice @JakeKO gave on here also regards gyno and adex dosage it was top.. and think his approch is good too,,,,if it works why change it right???
But for me and Because of my paranoia towards gyno im going to stick to this one .
If you are really paranoid about gyno then start your AI the beginning of week 4 instead of the end. Your best defense against gyno though is to not start a cycle until you are in the low teens for a bodyfat. Higher bodyfat leads to more aromatization and greater chance for gyno to occur.
Completly agree bro ill only be training hard and trying my best to reach 10 to 12% before jumping on cycle..
(I might be jumping the gun and just adding shit not needed saying this lol)
But For when i do start I see alot of stuff posted about adding proviron ed and will help test will work much better ect
Would u reccommend adding that in or just no need for it?
With 500mg of test and first cycle, you won't notice a difference with provi included. No need for it.
Will not be doing any more thought on adding stuff after this lol
Just curious on that stuff
Stick around, Bro, you’ll learn shit you didn’t even know was so important, I use to feel like shit throughout every cycle. After hanging around these guys for the past six months, I rarely feel like shit anymore. Less does more most of the time, and it took my stubborn ass a long time to realize it.
I love this place so far bro lol and im still only new to everything and everyone here but who i spoke with so far all have been top fellas tbh and seriously knowlegable...loads of people have the complete wrong idea on gear bro espically in my gym lol there just basically like
""yes ya just take that and 12 weeks later u will be built like a brick wall dont worry about a diet and fuck pct lol'"""but on the other hand there plenty of people do it as it should be done
Is it just because u were dosing to much on your cycles that made ya feel like shit bro?
What was your first cycle like mate?
Maybe im startimg off to high from the start and possibly should start at say 300 slowly bump up weekly till at 500 depending on sides