posted Wed, 09/04/2013 - 19:37
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+ 1 Fall Sust/Deca cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
No stats being this is far away, I will attempt to be between 15% bf and my normal 230lbs.
31 y/o
5'11
230lbs
15%bf
Goals are to put on lean muscle.
| Week | Sust 250mg | Deca 250mg | Proviron | HCG | Caber | Arimidex | Aromasin | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | ||||||
| 2 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | ||||||
| 3 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 4 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 5 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 6 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 7 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 8 | 250mg E3D | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 9 | 250mg x2wk | 250mg | 50mg ED | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 10 | 250mg x2wk | 250mgk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | |||
| 11 | 250mg x2wk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 12 | 250mg x2wk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 13 | 250mg x2wk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 14 | 250mg x2wk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 15 | 250mg x2wk | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | .5mg E3D | ||||
| 16 | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | 12.5mg ED | 100mg ED | 20mg Ed | |||
| 17 | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | 12.5mg ED | 100mg ED | 20mg ED | |||
| 18 | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ED | 10mg ED | |||
| 19 | 50mg ED | 250iu x2wk | 0.5mg E3D | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ED | 10mg ED |
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RomanbrandThis cycle is done, I am in my pct now and had great gains and good lean muscle build. Thank you for all of your help guys! I just restructured the look of the cycle to what I actually used. I cut back from 20 wks of deca to 10 wks which changed everything lol
Thanks!
Very nice cycle. I approve. Pretty long though, that's gonna be a tough shutdown. Deca for 20 weeks you might want to consider the possibility of needing trt after this
RomanbrandOh shit, I dont wanna do that! What should I change then? I can bring the sust and/or deca back a few weeks.
RomanbrandWow, I got neg'd for this statement? That's weird...
You could cut the Deca back to 14-16, even drop the dose a bit, with the Sust at +3 weeks over, depending. You might not require such a high dose of Caber, especially if you dial it back some on the mg's. You know you body better than me though, or at least a blood test would. You definitely don't have to run it that far over, 4 weeks over would be more than enough. You could also blast the HCG at the end in addition to your on cycle dose, and/or up your on cycle dose. HMG during or at the end would help also. You could look into Triptorelin for before PCT.
RomanbrandUpdated, thanks for you help guys! Let me know what you think. 25 wks of sust and 20 of deca...?
RetsnomteeksWas thinking about extending the length of my cycle as well. Can't wait to run the caber! I heard it is off the chain!
RomanbrandThis is a work in progress
AnonHonestly if you're gonna pin 3-4 times a week I would run NPP 100mg eod with the Sustanon. Deca needs to be at least 12 weeks you will just start to notice it at 10 week mark and if I were you I would up it to 600mg per week since you're running 750mg of Sustanon to correct your test to deca ratio. I'm in week 9 of test e Sustanon and deca cycle myself right now
RomanbrandOriginally I was going to pin twice a week and do a 15 week cycle, unfortunately I only have 10cc's of deca unless I open a whole new bottle. hahaha Like everyone around here I have many bottles of this and that and this brand and that brand. I can add sust and add deca too. Length of cycle is nothing to me, I can extend it beyond this, I would much rather extend it! I am that guy~ The more the merrier! lol
I think 500mg of sust a week is enough, I can pin it twice a week. I was considering the proponate and the short life of it (72 hours I think) so I was going to pin x3 week. I would rather pin twice.
So can I pin sust for 15 weeks and deca for 10 weeks or no? What should I do?
for deca it's a minimum 12 wks. you would be unhappy with the results if you ran it only 10 wks.
RomanbrandCopy, I'll extend my cycle.
Thats what I get for skimming. I read it as 12 for Deca and 14 for Sust.
AnonNo room for skimming or half-assing in this biz. If you don't run things right you won't get the benefits had a guy who read he could cycle EQ for 8 weeks with test e hoooooorible idea that stuff doesn't kick till week 14. I'm gonna be running deca for 20 weeks and Sust with test e for 25. NOT RECOMMENDING THAT FOR YOU. If your test to deca ratios aren't correct it'll mess up gains. 750 Sustanon 15 weeks 600 deca for 13 weeks run the Sustanon two weeks past the deca so you don't crash coming off I everything at once. Everything else is spot on the Proviron works great with test and deca I may even add some Winstrol the last 6 weeks to get rid of excess water and bloat
RomanbrandSounds good brother, i will make some adjustments to this today. Thank you.
I wasn't expecting such a long reply (not being a smart ass), lol. I agree skimming is all bad, don't want to mess someone up who's looking for help. This is a serious game we play. Nandrolone doses vary depending on the goals of the cycle, you can run 150mg pw and get what you want, not large amounts of mass obviously. I've seen a guy run Deca alone and yield results, I wouldn't do it, but he got what he wanted. Prolactin is real issue with the 19's. Test is great, perfect A:A, but depending on ones goals, it can be overrated at times. Extra Test does help with the crash, but its mainly for clearance of the ester, Tren is run similarly, but a Tren crash is harder than a Nandrolone. FR sent, PM me.
I was looking at your layout. I would like to run something similar. I do have a question about it though, Do you really need caber if your going to take proviron also? I thought proviron was used to counter prolactin for Deca and Tren. And Caber does the same thing?
I thought Caber and proviron do the same thing. Or am I mistaken and its better to use both?
You're mistaken. Proviron is a DHT derived steroid. Its used similarly as Masteron. Hardening effect, some aggression, and to get more out of the Testosterone being used, as it has a high affinity to SHBG, thus leaving more Test to be used by the body.
RomanbrandCorrect, but its not an actual steroid. Proviron has NO anabolic effects, it only helps release the SHBG.
Great article on Proviron:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho...
I've read this and actual medical documents on the compound. It is a steroid, not and anabolic steroid, but a steroid. Definitions and what immediately comes to mind are seldom in congruence.
Cut the Aromasin doses in half in PCT and start it in your time between pins and PCT. You can stop the Caber much earlier, Nolva does affect prolactin, but your dose is lowered with the Aro, which will also aid in the issue with estro control. Caber also has a pretty long half life, so it will continue to work after cessation.
RomanbrandI read a lot about caber and people take it even off cycle, would you say that that is ok? I like the good sexual side affects it has?
Considering that prolactin is yet to be fully understood in the male metabolic and endocrine system, I don't think I'd run it non stop without it being necessary. It does have many benefits, but I don't feel completely safe using something without a decent study or two behind it. I guess you could guinea pig it?
RomanbrandI could be that guy but I'll probably just stick to el'natural when I'm off cycle
Probably the smart choice.
I running about the same cycle as you!!! That's why I ordered that caber which it came thru last Friday!!!
RomanbrandDid you order the Caber from that source? I bought a couple bottles, its so cheap I had too lol
Yup from that same source I ordered a few too!
RomanbrandI think I am going to be pinning Sust MWF so on M&F i'll split the test dose in half 200mg/200mg, I could always just pin 400mg Every Monday, doesn't matter I think.
This is a work in progress so don't rip me too bad, I'll take any suggestions anyone has
Thank you!