+ 8 Deca bulk
Pretty moderate cycle here I think. Will be first time running Deca for a bulk. Have used it previously for joint support at 150mg/wk before but never for a full on bulk. Have used npp before at a 1:1 ratio with test and no issues so I am going to keep this cycle pretty much a cookie cutter for running Deca for the first time. Usually I like running test at trt level and letting the other compounds do the bulk of work but not going to chance it with Deca.
I am starting the deca a couple weeks after the test just to make sure the test is built up before adding the deca. Provi is being introduced after test levels are peaking which is when I think it starts providing the best results. Drol is going to be pulsed around mid-cycle with a big finish of it at the end. I have always had great results with 50mg drol but I may actually try 75mg to see how it goes for a while and see if I notice much of a difference. Had great results with the GH/IGF combo last cycle so definitely putting it in this cycle.
I have been cutting pretty hard for almost the last 2 months to get primed for this cycle. Sitting around 190 and under 12% BF. Nutrient partitioning should be great now but I will be cyclic bulking for my diet to reset insulin sensitivity as needed to ensure I am putting on mostly quality mass and not a whole lot of fat. Hoping I don't have to do too many reset phases since I am relying on the IGF to help alot with insulin sensitivity.
The goal here is to put on 20+ lbs, hopefully most of it will be quality. If I can get above at least 215 (220 is what I am really shooting for) with respectable bodyfat then I will look at doing maybe my last show this spring/summer.
As far as ancillaries I be using .25mg E3D of Adex and have some caber on hand along with taking my usual liver supp of TUDCA. The one thing I may add to this cycle is some mast e (maybe 300mg/wk) to get a little more dht into the cycle. Any thoughts on this?
That is pretty much it in nutshell so far.
| Week | Test E | Deca | Provi | Anadrol | GH | IGF |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 3iu | ||||
| 2 | 600mg | 4iu | ||||
| 3 | 600mg | 420mg | 4iu | |||
| 4 | 600mg | 420mg | 4iu | |||
| 5 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 6 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 7 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg | |
| 8 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | ||
| 9 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 10 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 11 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg | |
| 12 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | ||
| 13 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 14 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 15 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 16 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
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RustyhookerRight on!!! Pro card coming for ya!
If I could stay healthy for once. lol
RustyhookerSeriously!! Ive been coughing for days now. Started in december...beat it....came back.
Surprised he doesn’t have a PRO tag on here yet at least
RustyhookerI bet he will someday. Hes here all the time helping plus he keeps body right in line with what bodybuilding is all about.
Is PRO strictly for bodybuilders are can competitive strength athletes theoretically attain that title too? I can think of another member who should be en route to that tag one day…
RustyhookerThats up to bfg the big boss.
How are you running the HGH and IGF? Single dose of HGH in the morning and IGF subq post-workout?
both taken pre-workout. IGF is subq and only taken on workout days. On non-workout days I take GH about the same time as I would if I was going to workout. I try to avoid taking it right before or after a meal with carbs.
Thanks.
I like the conservative dosages, you know how to eat snd definitly know how to train. I'd be keen on seeing a before/after photo.
RustyhookerI ran deca week 1 at 350. I think youll enjoy it more at your dose. 350 was light imo.
Since the provi is a dht I would think the mast would be redundant? Just another compound in your system fighting for receptors. I would choose one or the other, personally. If anyone has experience stacking provi and mast, I’d like to hear about it.
The proviron will reduce shbg so there is less receptor fighting because free test is not bound.
This I know. I also know mast disrupts aromatization somehow—I’m not sure the exact mechanism, but definitely a different mechanism than how provi frees up test. It seems like either or could accomplish similar results. I’d probably prefer the mast just to have one less liver toxic compound in my system.
Proviron is not liver toxic taken with mast allows you to get a somewhat double effect with less oil to inject considering proviron is not c17aa. Its synergistec even though they may be the same, they both act different when introduced to the body.
RustyhookerMasteron and proviron are chemically different and give different results. So far ive seen no scientific data showing mast to reduce sbh but in combo, at least for me, it reduces estro.
Proviron is very mildly liver toxic but I get your point. Thanks
Good old nandrolone. Someone of your experience and you’ve never done a deca based cycle. Pretty neat. I think you’ll be happy.
I ran a short Tpp/NPP cycle but had to cut it short at 6 wks because of some health concerns. Seemed like it was just starting to come together also. Never really had the desire to dive into the 19-nors much. Have only done 1 tren cycle also. Was just having good luck with everything else so I eventually figured it was about time to see if deca is worth the hype when bulking.
MAKWA I would kick your decca cycle with some Npp for 5 weeks so you get the most out of your nandrolone cycle.. decca won’t kick in till around week 6 as you know I’ve ran this cycle many many times
I'll be upping my test from my trt dose this week. I am thinking I will run a week or two like that and then add in the deca and I could start it off with some NPP. Ran NPP last time at 150 EOD. If kicking with it that is probably dose I would use. I'll think about that.
I would start your decca and Npp at week one so when you stop the Npp the deconate ester is peaking in your blood.
Also just a thought Anadrol and decca doesn’t play well together at the same time for me spikes my blood pressure but it’s only when I run them together
I've never had issues with adrol before, but then again I have never ran it with deca. I'll keep an eye on it.
I've never noticed a lack of libido or any other issue's with starting deca at the same time as increasing test dose. Deca is a longer ester so shouldn't really be a problem at the beginning of a cycle.
I would start deca at same time as test and drop it at week 14. Let the Deca clear your system a few weeks before dropping the test back down.
Looks like a fun run.
Really no point if he’s on TRT. The test will still be out-concentrating the nandrolone if that’s the concern.
I’m trt and I still drop the nandrolone before lower The test. Nandrolone leaves me in a mental funk if I’m not careful. Not a scientific thing or ester related. Its what works for me. Have a few friends that have noticed the same.
Gotcha. That’s interesting. I imagine it’s different for guys who keep their test at TRT dose all the way through and blast deca as the primary compound. Never heard of nandrolone on its own causing brain fog, but perhaps the hormonal shift of test levels declining quicker than nandrolone levels can.
It’s not a mental fog like low test makes me feel. It’s more of an out of balance feeling. I get it from tren too. 19 nor related more likely. Hormonal shift is definitely a factor. In my early cycles I didnt believe in tapering at all. Now I prefer it, especially with test while coming off a cycle. Don’t feel the highs/lows so much mentally and physically.