+ 4 2nd cycle - low test + EQ
This is my second cycle.
First was test e + prop taper, went well gained 10kg of lean muscle and kept those, but during the cycle I found that i aromatise a lot, so the idea for second cycle was to try low test to keep my dry and not bloated.
Log of my first cycle with additional details, bloodwork and pre/post pictures is here https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/first-cycle-500mg-test-e-hgh
For second cycle I had been thiking about test e + proviron, but did my research and due to possible hairloss issues, I decided to run low test and EQ.
Stats:
97kg
183cm
BF 11%
Goal: lean gain/dry look
PCT starts 4 days after last prop pin
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 6.25ED (I like to run aromasin in PCT to keep estrogen rebound from adex)
Before this cycle I m doing bloodwork to make sure I fully recovered from last cycle.
Intend to donate blood in week 8 and 16 to relieve rbc issues.
| Week | Test prop | Test e | Eq | Adex | HCG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 100mg EOD | 400mg (M/T) | 1200mg (M/T) | ||
| 2 | 100mg EOD | 400mg (M/T) | 1200mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | |
| 3 | 100mg EOD | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | |
| 4 | 100mg EOD | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | |
| 5 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 6 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 7 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 8 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 9 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 10 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 11 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 12 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 13 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 14 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | ||
| 15 | 400mg (M/T) | 600mg (M/T) | 0.5mg EOD | 1000IU (M/T) | |
| 16 | 100mg EOD | 0.5mg EOD | 1000IU (M/T) | ||
| 17 | 100mg EOD | 0.5mg EOD | 1000IU (M/T) | ||
| 18 | 100mg EOD | 0.5mg EOD | 1000IU (M/T) |
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well this morning I got pre cycle bloodwork done to see if I recovered from last cycle (pct ended in march) to see if I can start my next cycle. I feel fine and I had thought I fully recovered.
However the results(uploaded above) show, that test, lh, fsh are all half of what they were before cycle/baseline.
test 13,2 mmol/l (380ng/dl - baseline was 720ng/dl)
LH 4,0 IU/l (was 8,5)
FH 3,4 IU/l (was 6)
That s changing my plans for the next cycle as I want to fully recover first before starting next cycle.
I will get bloodwork again in one month and will see if it changes, will try some DAA and tribulus.
Are there anything else I can do to return values? As I understand correctly it s not about desensitivation of leydig cells, but problem is in HPTA not firing LH a FH enough.
What do you think another PCT or HCG would help? Have Clomid, HCG and Proviron at home, can they be useful?. Or just give it a time?
If pct ended in March you're not due to go back on until August anyway so you're right to place a hold on cycle number 2.
What was your PCT from the first cycle?
PCT was standard clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
also this month I experiment with keto diet, I heard that this might be also reason of lower test, next month I will get bloodwork during carb loading phase, and will see from that
Pct looks good for a 12 week test only run. I can't say about the keto diet but if you think that's a contributory factor maybe wait and see what blood levels are next month.
If levels are still low I would get pharmacy grade pct products and run pct again. You might want to include hcg for 10 days before the reboot pct to get the boys fully working again. Don't forget your Ai during this time. The risk with hcg is that it can fuck up the leydig cells is the testes so that they are less sensitive to LH. That can result in sterility so be careful.
Well today (2-3 weeks later) i got bloodwork again(test only), it turned out very well. Test values 24.91mmol/l = 718ng/dl (see uploaded pic), that s the same value that I had pre cycle, seems I fully recovered.
The fact is, I had 2 weeks holiday, was hanging on the beach, kitesurfing and hitting the gym 2x a day, plenty of sleep and 3g of DAA twice a day. It all might be contributing factor of good recovery.
BTW as a bonus I got myself a bunch of Cidotestons (pharma grade test e available from local pharmacy).
The only comment I would make is that it's a little long for someone who isn't already on TRT. I know eq needs time to work but 18 weeks is a long time to be shut down. You might want to incorporate a couple of weeks of hcg mid cycle.
Keep an eye on BP with eq.
Overall a well thought out and well researched cycle. I particularly like the fact that you know the difference between adex and aro. It's amazing how many don't. +1 from me.
well, that s exactly my concern, after my first cycle I recovered pretty fast (will have bloodwork tomorrow 3 months after pct), but that was 12weeks cycle, now it would be 18 weeks and I really really dont want to end up on TRT (apart from the fact that I dont have have kids yet). What are the odds? I mean I dont know anyone on TRT personally and would like to take the safest possible route and learn from the mistakes of others.
Besides of that, i couldnt come up with better cycle to utilize low test, shorter cycle time and preferably no dht compound. However I m open to ideas.
Everyone is different so its hard to say what the odds are. The TRT needle is a risk we take for what we do. Anything we can do to mitigate that risk is good but we can't eliminate it without dropping AAS altogether.
I would stick to short cycles if I was you and keep it simple. Test only for 8-12 weeks every 8 months. The shorter prop ester has been shown to be less severe for shutdown than enth. Possibly add in one of the orals like tbol or var as a kicker or finisher, keeping up with liver protection like NAC and liv52 throughout.
That's just my opinion. Others may have a different view. Maybe you could run the proposed cycle for 18 weeks and rebound no problem. It's a risk, that's all I'm saying. At the very least I'd suggest running hcg for 2 weeks mid cycle to restart the boys.
thanks bro, today I got results of precycle bloodwork(uploaded above) and that changed my plans a little bit
Don't know what you have planned for a diet, but this has worked pretty good when trying to maximize lean gains.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
I never did get huge increase in appetite when I ran EQ so it may or may not happen, so don't wonder what is going on if it doesn' t happen. EQ takes a long time to really get going, around 10 wks for me is when I really start noticing the effects. Never tried frontloading, so maybe that might shorten the time frame for effects to kick in. With all that frontloading (test p and EQ), some people have had anxiety issues so just be aware. Be aware of the signs and watch out for crashing estro with lower test and that much Adex. Should be a solid cycle if your diet and training are up to par.
You running a kicker(prop) a front load (eq) and a taper and an AI switch into pct. you've been paying attention. Nice incorporations for a 2nd stack.
Keep your eyes open for the EQ hunger. It's always hit me really bad. Lots of rice cakes and cucumber for those off the diet program munchies that will hit. I used to wake up at 2-3am and raid the fridge. So be prepared. Last EQ stack I ran it hit around wk8-9. My best gains didn't come until much later tho. So don't get dissuaded when the look doesn't come right away. Stay the course.
You'll want to run your test longer than the EQ, 2-3 weeks longer typically. I wouldn't start your AI straight away, week 3 or 4 and your dosage any be a little high for 400mg of test. Blood work will tell you, adjust if necessary.
Other than that looks good. Nice to see someone one planning a cycle properly! +2
Eat big, train hard and you'll grow well on that cycle.
Very Nice ! +3 for you.
thanx bro, there is 3weeks prop taper into PCT, thus test is run 3weeks longer than eq
I was obviously really on the ball this morning lol!