First Cycle - 500mg test E + hgh?
36 yrs old, 183 cm (6'), 87kg (191lbs), bf 15% now trying to get it down to 12-13% when cycle starts
working out on off for 20yrs, getting ready for first cycle, aim is to get on some lean mass/burn fat
Currently running 2-4IU hgh for anti-aging, general health, repair joint purposes, plan is running it for next 6+ months.
I plan running hgh and test e simultaneously, would it be sufficient to run only 300mg of test e weekly due to synergic effects? I would like to avoid sides especially gyno and hairloss.
Any ideas/hints in this area would be very appreciated.
Was also considering hcg but decided to keep first cycle simple.
Other supplements: saw palmetto ED, nizoral 2% E3D
Will have also Letrozole at hand in case gyno problems.
What do you think guys?
Update:
Precycle bloodwork added.
Precycle pictures added.
Decided to run 500mg/week (2x250) and add prop taper last 4 weeks (100mg EOD)
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | HGH | Adex | Nolvadex | Clomid | HCG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 4UI ED | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | 4UI ED | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 4 - bloodwork | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 8 - bloodowork | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||
| 12 | 500mg | 4UI ED | .25mg EOD | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||
| 13 | 4UI ED | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||||
| 14 | 4UI ED | 500iu pw 2x250 | ||||
| 15 | 4UI ED | 40mg ED | 100mg ED | |||
| 16 | 4UI ED | 40mg ED | 100mg ED | |||
| 17 | 4UI ED | 20mg ED | 50mg ED | |||
| 18 | 4UI ED | 20mg ED | 50mg ED |
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Post cycle bloodwork uploaded.
Post cycle picture added.
Few pre cycle pictures added.
Should I pin weekly or twice per week? Currently considering 2x 200mg, as I got myself ugl test e from valid source, but not sure how it compares to pharma grade. Now I know I should have ordered pharma, but this was already on this way. What do you think?
Lenny2 x 200 is fine. I think there is several UGLs that are good. I know of a couple that people are willing to trade their TRT gear even for. You just have to research and hope your research sent you in the correct direction. I really think your cycle will be great as long as food and workout is under control.
Twice a week. More stable blood hormone levels = Less of both side effects and mood swings.
ok thanx guys
You are at top of the range. Does anyone know the conversion of nmol/L to ng/dL? Found it.
The range for the test here is 348-1197 ng/dL. You're scoring 740.
Very impressive.
Conversion link:
https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/en/default/index/conversion-tool
Thanks mate! Maybe that test has to do something with that DAA I got last month.
Very usefull link for unit conversion.
Just uploaded result of precycle bloodwork. Any comments would be highly appreciated.
300 test a week, that's not too far off double the amount of test an average bloke your age has.. And people say you'll be disappointed with the gains! I say run the well thought out cycle and prove these gentlemen wrong!
I would swap adex for aromasin though as it's a better all round drug.
LennyWish I could plus this.
Guys thanks for comments.
Got me test e from legit source, so hopefully it will be pharma grade. Also plan is to run hgh at least one month prior the cycle, to get to know the sides and then start with 300 test e, possibly adjusting according to incycle bloodwork results.
Not smart to increase dosing during cycle. Test E is a long ester so it takes about 5 weeks to really kick in so your increase in dosage following your Week 4 or 5 bloodwork won't come online until the end of your run. Pick a number and commit from the get go. I think it is foolish to go so low and risk not getting the results you are seeking since you are using an UGL. Running 500mg with an AI, you're not risking unmanageable sides. Trust me come the end of your cycle you will be like "Damn I wonder what I would look like if I ran 500mg with this GH." I know I would.
LennyLet me ask you this......How do you know it is not smart? Is it just a guess? Have you ran a cycle like this? Do you know someone that has ran a cycle like this? What makes you think all UGLs are under dosed? I have seen the results of just 300mg of test with no hgh. Have you?
Because you are using a long estered test it takes time to build up in your system. So by upping the dose midcycle you will really only benefit the last 2 or 3 weeks. Also, the estrogen number from your bloods will be useless because with the additional test, estrogen will increase, too. But, it's your first cycle, so anything works. I am just saying if it were me, I would want more than 1.5 times the standard TRT dose of 200mg per week. I would want test levels that are going to allow me to build a good 20+ pounds of new muscle and make me feel on top of the world. You do not know if the test is accurately dosed until you get your bloodwork back around week 5. In my opinion it is better safe than sorry. What if it is underdosed? You just wasted 5 weeks of your cycle. I ran 525mg per week my first cycle. Check out my results. I took 300mg of Test E every 4 days.
LennyI have guys that ran 300mg pr week not just for 1 cycle but 3. The gains was amazing. Now they ate like horses and trained like crazy but the out come was great. I really think it is a bad idea for someone to say something is wrong by guessing or assuming. I am guilty of it too but it is something that slows progress down. Now what if the gear is under dosed? The fact is the gear could be anywhere from bunk to way overdosed. That should have anything to do with a cycle plan. There is plenty of domestic sources on here that have gear that is great. You did make good gains on your cycle but do you know if the gains would be different if you pinned 150mg every 3 days? I would bet you could not tell the difference without blood work. You also said that someone would not know if the gear they got was accurately dosed until blood work. I know the gear I am using is dose correctly before I pull it out of the vial without a doubt.
LennyI would like for you to give us updates on this cycle. Have everything together and most important eat enough.
bigwillyI was 35 when I did the very same thing, I was prescribed 250 mgs test cyp and 1 and a half ius of GH for 6 mobths and blown away at the results. depending on where the gh is coming from your going to be very happy.
LennyPeople are so hung up on 500mg just because they read it. 300mg for a 1st cycle will work great.
bigwillyFucking blew me away dog.
LennyIf the gear is good 300ml pr week will work great as a 1st cycle. You could go higher but 300 will get you gains.You might not need adex at all. Precycle blood work,a test at 3 weeks and add more blood work until you have estrogen at a good level. With the right training and diet you will be happy with this cycle. Looks like you have done some research and not going over board. I would +1 you if I could. Good job.
rocketballzIf you're gonna be shut down it may as well be worth it (within reason) so I agree with chunky that 500 mgs/wk is what most people recommend for a first cycle. I kind of like the idea of the gh. If you've been running it then you know how your body reacts so figuring out where sides are coming from shouldn't be an issue, but everyone is different. Overall it seems like a reasonable layoit. Good luck!
What is your natural test level? Have you had bloodwork done yet? You will want to know this number so that when your cycle is over and your thru PCT you can see if your body has full recovered. In my opinion
300 is low. Your first cycle should be a test only cycle, but if you can afford the gh I say go for it. Run test cyp or enan at 500mg a week split into 2 shots. Say Wed night and Sun morn will work good.
thank you for input. Scheduled for bloodwork tomorrow morning.
Any ideas on which other blood markers to check for baseline values except for testosterone? (lh, estradiol, prolaktin... )
PallMallGet a full blood panel including hormones and igf if you can afford it.
Post a screen cap of the results and the community would be glad to offer input and advice.
300Mg a week will do you good too. Id recommend pharma grade gear though. Skip the whole UGL stuff.
unfortunately my lab does not do igf-1 and full panel is quite expensive, which are the basic ones? test, lh, fsh, estradiol? any other?
Get a female hormone panel done. Should cost about 60 bucks.
Lipids, liver function
Unfortunately no such a thing as female hormone package here in local lab, I have to choose specific ones. So far thinking about following: hCG, LH, FSH, Prolaktin, Progesteron, Estradiol, Testosteronm SHBG, DHEA-S, ALT
As each costs about 25-30 bucks, do I need all of those now in pre cycle bloodtest to get the baselines? Or can I live with few and have the rest checked during and after cycle?