+ 15 1st Cycle
Current Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 198 lbs
BF: 11%
Disclaimer: This is a projection of my first cycle. I want to make sure all of my bases are covered conceptually before moving ahead and placing my order. Looking for the instruction, knowledge and AS wisdom from experienced and successful users in hopes and efforts for personal growth and understanding in this field.
One thing I have greatly appreciated (as I've adventured through eroids.com for some time now) is the constant theme of personal growth through personal experience and the valuable community feedback of experienced users. Understanding the safe standard dosing ranges and not being afraid to explore what dose range works best for you while walking that fine line of gaining the best results without getting into diminished returns and unwanted side affects.
It's because of gleaning this valuable understanding through the eroids.com community that I've decided to have my 2nd go at a "1st Cycle." Just to clarify: My first cycle was 3 years ago. Starting Stats at the time were: Age, 25 / Weight, 185 / BF, 12%... Finishing stats when all was said and done and PCT was completed: Age, 25 / Weight, 216 / BF, 9%. Constituting a 31 lb gain, a 2.76 lb loss in Body Fat & 33.76 gain in Lean Muscle Mass. I wish I could tell you exactly what my Cycle, Programming & Diet were but had a computer issue and lost my detailed logs from that time.
This cycle looks something similar to what that one did with a few key differences:
-I'm going into this Cycle with a little experience and whole new mentality of personal (rather than just physical) growth and a desire for community support, input, feedback and honestly have people to celebrate successes with while pursuing this journey. An outlook that I'm happy to say I've gleaned from the encouragements in threads & forums here.
-These past few years have given me a greater confidence in understanding Exercise Programming, Execution & Fitness Nutrition. All of which are fields of study and career for me.
Areas I'm hoping to grow in understanding:
-Determining and tracking the appropriate Macros as they relate to Bodybuilding goals.
-The Chemistry and Biology as it relates to AS.
-Understanding Blood Work Charts.
-Finding my personal sweet spot for dosage range.
-Overcoming obstacles and symptoms with pre designated preventative measures, gaining a greater understanding of the Chemical processes behind the causes and remedies.
-Determining (based off the 1st Cycle) how to create the best game plan for a successful 2nd Cycle.
-Personal Growth.
My thoughts as it relates to the Details in this 1st Cycle:
Test E will be the injectable. It's what I used the first go 'round, worked well and my body chemistry and receptor cites should have had ample enough time to reset. Hoping to experience great results again for this 1st Cycle before changing the injectable to a different Test (P or C possibly) and adding an oral (Dbol most likely) for the 2nd Cycle.
My plan:
-Run Test E at 250mg 2 x / week (500mg total) with injection site rotation (Quads, Glutes, Delts, Chest... OPEN TO MORE SITE SUGGESTIONS) for a minimum of 8 weeks at which point I plan on keeping a keep eye on my stats and progression. If results prove positive on a weekly basis I may inject (Test E) for as many as 12 weeks, but there again only if proving beneficial. Once it seems there are diminished returns I plan to discontinue use and prep for PCT 18 days after the last injection of Test-E.
-I plan to have an AI on hand for on Cycle use in the case that bloating or gyno arises while Test E is systemic (I don't expect it to since neither were present for my original Cycle), but I'd rather go into this fully prepared. Would use as soon as week 3 (or 4) and as late as the last day before PCT [suggestions welcome] at a dose of .25mg every 3 days. Would raise or lower dosage if needed (as it related to my body's response) as well as experiment with taking Every Day (ED) or Every Other Day (EOT), there again only if needed.
-PCT: 2 weeks (18 days to be exact) after final Test E injection.
-Nolva 4 week 40/40/20/20mg per day.
-Clomid 4 week 100/100/50/50mg per day.
-Blood Work Pre Cycle, mid cycle at 6 weeks & 2 months post cycle.
-Then plan to be off Cycle for a period equaling (and no less than) the time taken on Cycle for body to reset, recover and personally reflect on the knowledge gained through the experience.
-I plan to give detailed reviews on each of the products as I take them for the sake of personal growth and to support the growth of accessible knowledge here in the eroids.com community.
I am in the market for a heart rate monitor (most likely will go with the Fitbit Charge HR Fitness Tracker) to keep track of blood pressure on cycle as well as keep track of HR Zone during (Cardio) Exercise.
Exercise Programming:
-Specifics to follow (will add the workouts when I start the Cycle).
-Being a personal trainer with 10 + years experience I have already written out an extensive program but plan on letting it grow & evolve as needed. Plan on taking advantage of the increased motivation & improved recovery time and put in some work.
-Planning on 5 days / week workout plan. Pre Stretching for Optimal Muscle Length Tension Relationships, Approximately 10 min cardio warm-up, 45 min Size Training (with some HIIT for variation as long as the pump isn't too extreme, although that would most likely kick in with Dbol for later Cycles).
On Cycle Macros:
-Here's my current consideration/but still want to take the next couple weeks to come up with a solid game plan.
-Looking to fine tune as my body responds while on Cycle.
-Last time had a big issue with acid reflux upon laying down, am prepared this time with an amazing natural digestion supplement that has since proven to work very well.
I have calculated my TDEE: currently at 3540 Calories/Day
Based off this calculation here's my projected on Cycle caloric intake per day each week, will gauge during cycle to see if this should be raised/lowered as LBM/BF are tracked.
Week 1 3540 cal/day
Week 2 3540 + 250 = 3790 cal/day
Week 3 3540 + 500 = 4040 cal/day
Week 4 3540 + 750 = 4290 cal/day
Week 5 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 6 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 7 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 8 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 9 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 10 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 11 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 12 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 13 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 14 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 15 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 16 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 17 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 18 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 19 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 20 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Projected Macro Ratios: 4/40/20 Protein/Carbs/Fat
Based on an initial TDEE of 3540 Calories for week one that works out to be:
Protein: 1416cal / 354g / day
Carbs: 1416cal / 354g / day
Fat: 708cal / 78.66g / day
[FEEDBACK ON MACROS STILL GREATLY APPRECIATED / have a feeling this will fine tune as I get into my cycle and see what I need]
I know that this has been long-winded for the sake of thoroughness. Thank you in advance for reading and for any beneficial advice.
Excited to finally plug in and become a functioning member of this eroids.com community. Looking forward to growing with you all (pun absolutely intended).
| Week | Test E | AI - Adex * | PTC - Nolva | PTC - Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 2 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 3 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 4 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 5 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 6 Blood Work | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 7 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 8 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 9 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 10 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 11 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 12 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 13 | .25mg 2-3/wk* | |||
| 14 | .25mg 2-3/wk* | |||
| 15 | 40mg / day | 100mg / day | ||
| 16 | 40mg / day | 100mg / day | ||
| 17 | 20mg / day | 50mg / day | ||
| 18 | 20mg / day | 50mg / day | ||
| * Indicates only as needed. |
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dimonddavidsonNo need for any additions ... i am even prone to wish good luck because you dont need it!.
Detailed and informative! Simple and refreshing! Outstanding work brother and much respect for making research a priority! Simple goes a long way with great results! Very impressive to say the least
If I could offer you any advice it would be don't be so quick to up your mg. dosage in every subsequent cycle! You can see amazing results keeping it simple and moderate while prioritizing diet and training!
Nice job my friend and hit me up if ever you anything! +2 for being smart, cautious and health conscious!
Appreciate you Theophany, thank you for all of the encouragement brother! Looking forward to the journey knowing that it can be done in confidence the the backing of all of the amazing minds here in this community. Will take you mg dosing suggestions to heart.
Thank you again.
Is there any specific reason why have decided to take HCG out of your 1st cycle?
IMO it will make your recovery faster and make your gain more keepable.
Please let me know since I am also on my first cycle and not sure whether I need to add HCG for the last 4 weeks of the cycle.
I had a couple Private Message conversations with some of the experts here and from what I gathered from their suggestions was to keep an eye on the Blood Work results. That the injectable shouldn't be enough to put my estrogen levels at a place that would require HCG. To keep it simple and learn from the process of a simple and effective Test inject foundation as it relates to my body. To save the HCG to try on a later cycle (possibly 2nd). The hope in the 1st Cycle being that Test E at the dose mentioned would be received well by my body, the PCT go well, get results and all go off without a hitch. Just a clean platform to listen to my body, test results and learn. At least that's what I gathered from these amazing minds! Hope this helps, looking forward to learning as much as I can through this process so that I can later be an asset and encouragement on this site.
Backed by popular demand I have decided to take HCG out of my 1st Cycle. I have already ordered it so it will be set aside for my 2nd Cycle if needed (still a lot to learn).
Want to say how much I appreciate everyone's contribution and feedback in giving me the best tools to put together a solid 1st Cycle. You've made it easy as everyone seems to be singing the same song... with thoughts on HCG being the exception; received a few very differing suggestions here. I hope that everyone feels appreciated and heard in my consideration, I will say however that in the end I had to go with the guidance of the Jedi Masters in choosing to remove it from this round.
Thanks again everyone, cool journey, really enjoying this.
I don't recall if it was already mentioned here, but I see you are planning on starting PCT 10 days after last shot. I would push that out to a minimum of 14 days after last shot, with 18 days being the best. When I was running the calculators figuring PCT times, 18 days was the magic number to start PCT for a 500mg test e cycle.
P2i2tI stated to start pct at least 10 days after last shot of hcg...but not after last shot of test. Definitely a good 14-18 days like you stated is usually a good time interval depending on the average dose
Consider it done! Editing log to reflect this now.
P2i2tWish all the new comers had it in them to be as proficient and most importantly as PATIENT as you. The highest regards for this complete and well researched cycle plan. Other than the fact that I'd like to state not to start pct until 10 days after your last shot of hcg (which may not even be warranted in this cycle), there really isn't much to add. Perfect my friend. Welcome brother!
Thank you, I don't plan on doing hcg this go around due to some advice from a couple of the experts here, but it is good to know for my next go round. Appreciate you!
Really appreciate your feedback P2i2t, thank mate!
THE BEST..... most encompassing, intelligent cycle log i personally have EVER seen in my years here at eroids.
You have it nailed brother, Template has been created with Intelligence, Deep research but still reads with a message that you are still very open minded to any tweaks that the guys put forwards.
Refreshing....... due to the lack of a "Devil may care" attitude that we see here daily at eroids lately.
No need for any additions ... i am even prone to wish good luck because you dont need it!.
Attack your plan with a workmanlike approach and the results will undoubtedly follow
This will be the FIRST EVER +3 karma i have spent in this cycle log section....... well deserved.
Wow Viking, I'm honored to be taking this journey with so much support and the experience of others behind me laying the foundation. I could only imagine trying to weed through the mess and unknown pitfalls of trying to go it alone. Super grateful here.
Nicely put together man. It's nice to see someone put in the time n effort that u did w planning everything out. No cutting corners at. Good luck w ur cycle. Plus one for ur effort. U clearly have done ur research.
Appreciate it man, looking forward to learning and growing well.
stunnerhrAnother level headed member, glad your're part of the community bro. Plan looks solid.
Appreciate you saying so, glad to be part of this community.
Wow! That's all I have to say. You've put the time and effort into researching this. This is probably the best example of this I have seen in a very long time. Fantastic to see brother. I have no comments that haven't already been provided below and incorporated by you. I will say that I certainly hope you don't have to use an AI at this dose of test but everyone is different and bloods are the way to tell - you've got this covered. Likewise I hope the HCG won't be necessary. If you do use it just watch for added estro conversion but at that dose this too shouldn't be a problem. Well done again bro. + 1 from me and do PM me anytime.
Very much appreciated Dacky, it's a game changer knowing that you have the support and guidance of a community who knows their stuff and is willing to pitch in and give the right advice along the journey. Feeling pretty fired up about all that I'll be learning along the way and looking forward to reaching out.
Such a breath of fresh air seeing a well written plan that's covers every aspect
PM me if want any diet or pre comp advice mate as I would more than happy to help
Plus 1
Grateful for the offer, will most likely take you up on that. Have had fleeting moments when I consider looking into comp, but I'm very seriously considering it now with all of this incredible help and direction. Would be nice to know that if that became the case I'd be going in with a community of encouragement behind me.
Wow! All bases covered! I have no input other than you are lightyears ahead of the other shit I have read. You are in good hands as it is and am for one interested to see you crush the barriers as your foundation looks solid!
Much appreciated bolt781. I'm grateful to say that I've pieced the majority of this together from following the valuable advice of many here. Excited to put the finishing touches on this, dive in and share my experiences as I learn and grow.
Your approach to AAS is a well thought out guideline to others. This is the type of mindset eroids encompasses! Smash on them bitchass weights brother! Fkn fired me up!
You and me both man, you and me both!
Your macros are a little light with the carbs. Id atleast do 40/40/20 on a bulk. Also 6 days a week with some 2 adays is a little much and leaves very little room for recovery. Consider 4-5 days and drop the 2 adays approach to gain mass.
No need to taper up the test, doing so will have you chasing your hormonal balance (epecially dialing in your estro).
The info you provided is how it should be done and yes it will help us help you alot easier. Also don't be afraid to move up those calories quicker if the weight gain stalls. +2
guitarplayer1, much appreciated, will make the necessary edits to reflect this incredibly helpful feedback. Thank you for all of the info, especially as it relates to my inquiring about tapering up the Test E. Insight gained? Man oh man do I appreciate this valuable advice, moreover, being offered reasoning and wisdom as to why.
No problem. You'll reach your immediate goals with your open minded approach. Put it all in action daily and the results will be there in the end.
I got some more useful shit for ya. Ill get back in here tomorrow. Fr accepted
Soaking it all in, pretty stoked with all this help.