+ 15 1st Cycle
Current Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 198 lbs
BF: 11%
Disclaimer: This is a projection of my first cycle. I want to make sure all of my bases are covered conceptually before moving ahead and placing my order. Looking for the instruction, knowledge and AS wisdom from experienced and successful users in hopes and efforts for personal growth and understanding in this field.
One thing I have greatly appreciated (as I've adventured through eroids.com for some time now) is the constant theme of personal growth through personal experience and the valuable community feedback of experienced users. Understanding the safe standard dosing ranges and not being afraid to explore what dose range works best for you while walking that fine line of gaining the best results without getting into diminished returns and unwanted side affects.
It's because of gleaning this valuable understanding through the eroids.com community that I've decided to have my 2nd go at a "1st Cycle." Just to clarify: My first cycle was 3 years ago. Starting Stats at the time were: Age, 25 / Weight, 185 / BF, 12%... Finishing stats when all was said and done and PCT was completed: Age, 25 / Weight, 216 / BF, 9%. Constituting a 31 lb gain, a 2.76 lb loss in Body Fat & 33.76 gain in Lean Muscle Mass. I wish I could tell you exactly what my Cycle, Programming & Diet were but had a computer issue and lost my detailed logs from that time.
This cycle looks something similar to what that one did with a few key differences:
-I'm going into this Cycle with a little experience and whole new mentality of personal (rather than just physical) growth and a desire for community support, input, feedback and honestly have people to celebrate successes with while pursuing this journey. An outlook that I'm happy to say I've gleaned from the encouragements in threads & forums here.
-These past few years have given me a greater confidence in understanding Exercise Programming, Execution & Fitness Nutrition. All of which are fields of study and career for me.
Areas I'm hoping to grow in understanding:
-Determining and tracking the appropriate Macros as they relate to Bodybuilding goals.
-The Chemistry and Biology as it relates to AS.
-Understanding Blood Work Charts.
-Finding my personal sweet spot for dosage range.
-Overcoming obstacles and symptoms with pre designated preventative measures, gaining a greater understanding of the Chemical processes behind the causes and remedies.
-Determining (based off the 1st Cycle) how to create the best game plan for a successful 2nd Cycle.
-Personal Growth.
My thoughts as it relates to the Details in this 1st Cycle:
Test E will be the injectable. It's what I used the first go 'round, worked well and my body chemistry and receptor cites should have had ample enough time to reset. Hoping to experience great results again for this 1st Cycle before changing the injectable to a different Test (P or C possibly) and adding an oral (Dbol most likely) for the 2nd Cycle.
My plan:
-Run Test E at 250mg 2 x / week (500mg total) with injection site rotation (Quads, Glutes, Delts, Chest... OPEN TO MORE SITE SUGGESTIONS) for a minimum of 8 weeks at which point I plan on keeping a keep eye on my stats and progression. If results prove positive on a weekly basis I may inject (Test E) for as many as 12 weeks, but there again only if proving beneficial. Once it seems there are diminished returns I plan to discontinue use and prep for PCT 18 days after the last injection of Test-E.
-I plan to have an AI on hand for on Cycle use in the case that bloating or gyno arises while Test E is systemic (I don't expect it to since neither were present for my original Cycle), but I'd rather go into this fully prepared. Would use as soon as week 3 (or 4) and as late as the last day before PCT [suggestions welcome] at a dose of .25mg every 3 days. Would raise or lower dosage if needed (as it related to my body's response) as well as experiment with taking Every Day (ED) or Every Other Day (EOT), there again only if needed.
-PCT: 2 weeks (18 days to be exact) after final Test E injection.
-Nolva 4 week 40/40/20/20mg per day.
-Clomid 4 week 100/100/50/50mg per day.
-Blood Work Pre Cycle, mid cycle at 6 weeks & 2 months post cycle.
-Then plan to be off Cycle for a period equaling (and no less than) the time taken on Cycle for body to reset, recover and personally reflect on the knowledge gained through the experience.
-I plan to give detailed reviews on each of the products as I take them for the sake of personal growth and to support the growth of accessible knowledge here in the eroids.com community.
I am in the market for a heart rate monitor (most likely will go with the Fitbit Charge HR Fitness Tracker) to keep track of blood pressure on cycle as well as keep track of HR Zone during (Cardio) Exercise.
Exercise Programming:
-Specifics to follow (will add the workouts when I start the Cycle).
-Being a personal trainer with 10 + years experience I have already written out an extensive program but plan on letting it grow & evolve as needed. Plan on taking advantage of the increased motivation & improved recovery time and put in some work.
-Planning on 5 days / week workout plan. Pre Stretching for Optimal Muscle Length Tension Relationships, Approximately 10 min cardio warm-up, 45 min Size Training (with some HIIT for variation as long as the pump isn't too extreme, although that would most likely kick in with Dbol for later Cycles).
On Cycle Macros:
-Here's my current consideration/but still want to take the next couple weeks to come up with a solid game plan.
-Looking to fine tune as my body responds while on Cycle.
-Last time had a big issue with acid reflux upon laying down, am prepared this time with an amazing natural digestion supplement that has since proven to work very well.
I have calculated my TDEE: currently at 3540 Calories/Day
Based off this calculation here's my projected on Cycle caloric intake per day each week, will gauge during cycle to see if this should be raised/lowered as LBM/BF are tracked.
Week 1 3540 cal/day
Week 2 3540 + 250 = 3790 cal/day
Week 3 3540 + 500 = 4040 cal/day
Week 4 3540 + 750 = 4290 cal/day
Week 5 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 6 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 7 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 8 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 9 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 10 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 11 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 12 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 13 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 14 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 15 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 16 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Week 17 recalculate TDEE cal/day
Week 18 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 19 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
Week 20 New TDEE + 750 cal/day
Projected Macro Ratios: 4/40/20 Protein/Carbs/Fat
Based on an initial TDEE of 3540 Calories for week one that works out to be:
Protein: 1416cal / 354g / day
Carbs: 1416cal / 354g / day
Fat: 708cal / 78.66g / day
[FEEDBACK ON MACROS STILL GREATLY APPRECIATED / have a feeling this will fine tune as I get into my cycle and see what I need]
I know that this has been long-winded for the sake of thoroughness. Thank you in advance for reading and for any beneficial advice.
Excited to finally plug in and become a functioning member of this eroids.com community. Looking forward to growing with you all (pun absolutely intended).
| Week | Test E | AI - Adex * | PTC - Nolva | PTC - Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 2 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 3 | 250mg x2/wk | |||
| 4 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 5 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 6 Blood Work | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 7 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 8 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 9 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 10 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 11 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 12 | 250mg x2/wk | .25mg 2-3/wk* | ||
| 13 | .25mg 2-3/wk* | |||
| 14 | .25mg 2-3/wk* | |||
| 15 | 40mg / day | 100mg / day | ||
| 16 | 40mg / day | 100mg / day | ||
| 17 | 20mg / day | 50mg / day | ||
| 18 | 20mg / day | 50mg / day | ||
| * Indicates only as needed. |
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Based off of an insightful post by Makwa found here...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
I have calculated my TDEE: currently at 3540 Calories/Day
Based off this calculation here's my projected on Cycle caloric intake.
Week 1 3540 cal/day
Week 2 3540 + 250 = 3790 cal/day
Week 3 3540 + 500 = 4040 cal/day
Week 4 3540 + 750 = 4290 cal/day
Week 5 recalculate TDEE
Week 6 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 7 New TDEE + 500 cal/day
So on and so forth as mentioned in the Cycle log above.
[THOUGHTS ON MACRO RATION SUGGESTIONS GREATLY APPRECIATED]
I plan to update once I've ordered, received and started my Cycle; also looking to track and document my workouts. Until then excited about learning through this fine tuning process.
Thanks again Makwa for all of the value you've added to this community.
bigmurphI just wanted to say this should be an example of how someone should approach getting cycle help great outline took everyone's advice and got advice from some of the top guys because of it
A+ hear2learn
+1 just for doing things the way they should be done you got advice from some of the best so you don't need any from me.
Good luck and great gains
Appreciate you bigmurph. The community here makes planning for success very accessible. Looking forward to moving ahead with this Cycle, especially with all of the valuable advice I've received so far. Excited to learn and share as I grow through this experience.
I'm very impressed someone willing to learn and who had their shit together from the get go. Good for you bro.
tonytulo, appreciate you saying so. Thank you for setting, maintaining this incredible environment to grow and learn in. I'm sure many would share my sentiments in this being a valuable & necessary community for those of us venturing into these realms of physical and personal growth.
I would adjust the timing of your bloodwork. Get some done precycle but I would hold off until about 6 wks or so for the next round. That will give you a couple of weeks on your AI to see if it is the proper dose to control your estro. 0.25mg/day of adex will likely crash estro. I would start out at .25mg E3D. I would also wait a couple of months after your PCT to check if you have fully recovered then. Thanks for all the details.
Makwa, very much appreicated, thank you for taking the time to share you knowledge. Just what I needed to know about Blood Work timing. I'll also plan to approach Adex as you've suggested. Editing log now to reflect your insights.
Much appreciated.
P.S. How do I give props and points for everyone's helpful advice? Do I need to reach a certain level to contribute in that way? Thank you ahead of time.
The thumbs up button will give them props but it won't increase their karma until you hit 50 karma or so.
Got it, thanks.
Yeah man + 1 best log ive seen in awhile. Why start the hcg at week 9 though? A little kick before pct? Also the extra nolva at 10mg for the extra 2 weeks?
Thank you House, appreciate the feedback and questions.
I plan to have the HCG on hand only if needed for shrinkage, thus the use working up to PCT. Welcome your insight though on where might be the best place in cycle to take and the "best practice" reasons for taking it when.
The extra Nolva I'll have on hand just in case I feel the need for a little extra PCT. After doing my original 1st Cycle 3 years back I felt I could have benefited from a few more days of PCT. Again your thoughts here are most welcome since I am here to learn.
Thank you again.
Here is the thing sometimes we do not need to wait for something bad to happen. I would start week 4 up until you have it now. If you have the means to do it right. There is going to be shrinkage you are cutting off your own supply. It will keep you plump all the way up to pct. Then let the pct do its work. You should not need the extra nolva if you run it like this.
Sounds great, really appreciate the advice. I had based my projections from what I had seen and heard thus far, but if it's a matter of just trying to save a little money... I'd rather put the money in and make sure my body is well taken care of through the whole process. It sounds like that's what you're getting at and if so I'm totally on board to start hcg at week 4 like you've suggested.
I'm hoping to gather more clarity though on the subject of hcg only because I'm also getting feedback that it's not needed and best (if needed) to only take the minimal effective dose. Would really love to know both sides of reasoning on a chemical level, since that whole realm is new waters for me and your knowledge is light years ahead of mine here.
Thanks House!
mustafa5903excellent layout. I would run it to max 12 for your first cycle just so you can recover better and easier to as if you ran it for 16.
Yeah man you been inspiring me also you big ass mofo
mustafa5903Thanks my ninja. I'm just a 25 year old peanut lol
Your a beast and have a lot of wisdom to offer.
mustafa5903 I appreciate the feedback, especially since a lot of my inspiration for this cycle has come from following your posts. I will plan for a 12 week cycle of Test E per your suggestion.
Much appreciated, editing post now to reflect a 12 week Test Cycle.
mustafa5903I appreciate that brotha. Message me if you need help with anything.
Super grateful for the offer and I'll plan to take you up on that.