posted Thu, 06/18/2026 - 03:08
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Underdosed or not?
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Afternoon guys just checking in on a lab I am currently using been using test C for 3 months at 500mg p/w. 250mg Monday 250 Thursday did a testosterone blood levels test on Wednesday these were the results
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3 months so pct starts now???
its not bad. You really didnt post much about yourself so its hard to give you answer
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbiology/hepatic...
https://jpharmsci.org/article/S0022-3549(24)00246-6/abstract
I get tired of belaboring this point, but crashed SHBG is NOT a good thing. The bro science idea of “crash your SHBG with proviron, so I have more free T. Free T is what causes the growth” is total bullshit. All it does is make your body excrete whatever you injected faster. So now it has less time and less concentration to do what it’s supposed to do at the receptors you’re wanting it to.
So many people thinking they have “bunk” gear, because their total/free Test numbers are way lower than they expect off their dosage. Simply because their SHBG is too low and that test is out of their body as fast as they put it in.
Stop crashing your SHBG folks…
Same fucking thing with the people that chant “crash your prolactin bro you’ll be a sex god” when it actually fucks you up. Not as bad as an e2 crash but I really felt like shit for a little after I crashed my prolactin. At least I didn’t feel like I was actually not in reality when I took too much letro, that was like 2-3 weeks of absolute hell
I can't agree more it's not "talked" about enough these days and there is more DHT compound use than ever. Personally, I fucking love good Proviron. Leans me out, keeps me horny, a little every other day or so goes a long way (on top of all the other goodies) but god damn once I started looking at my SHBG and realizing THAT was why I was so tired and no libido all of a sudden, I realized I had to chill. Anavar a bit too can do it from my understanding, and I love and chew that shit like Mike N Ikes too
at times.
Lol...wow....
Can winny do that to ? it’s known to lower SHBG as well ?
alot of people will still have no idea what your talking about and still think that shbg is just some shitty thing that steals your test. i stopped trying to argue with people about having crazhed shbg and low test levels.
Yea I’m reaching that point as well…
Plus you feel like dog shit when it’s non existing.
How does one raise SHGB or prevent crashing it in the first place?
clomid brings shbg up. ever compound lowers it over time, some wrose than others. but people overlook their shbg so much.
Most SERMs do. But clomid sucks and should never be used over enclomiphene
Clomid should be fucking banned. Once again agreeing with @SeeOhShow listen to him he’s absolutely right. Enclom is more effective and side effects are near non existent relative to Clomid. Fuck Clomid. PCT with Nolva and Enclomiphene (doesn’t hurt to throw in a decent natural test booster either) and you are golden
I’ve heard higher estrogen levels correlates to higher shbg and vice versa.
Try to bring it up as much as possible during your cruise/health phase when you’re on lower doses. Low dose Nolvadex brings it up. T3/T4 brings it up. Supposedly some OTC herbal type supplements bring it up. I personally have increased mine with the nolva T3/T4 combo. 20mg nolva a day and 100/25 T3/T4. I have those bitrion tablets that are combo T4/T3 at 50/12.5. I’ll take one in the morning and one in the evening. Brought my SHBG up about 15 points doing that while on cycle. I’m sure off cycle would have been much more.
Genetics also play a part. I was on the low end of ref range of SHBG naturally.
Other way to offset it is inject ED even if using long esters. Since it clears so fast, you have to replace it faster than most folks. More viscous oils such GSO/CSO or even Castor oil where the depot release is substantially more delayed than thin oils like MCT or MCT+EO would also help.
Why is this becoming more of a thing these days? People used to run a lot of Test Deca Cycles old school cycles and never heard of SHBG issues ? is it because the Orals available now
It depends on your starting point + proviron and even mast to a lesser degree lowering it. If you naturally have normal to high SHBG you are a lot less likely to lower it too much
@Petecastiglione
so someone with low SHBG wouldn’t be an ideal candidate for proviron in general ?
Yea definitely not
Learning is earning and this might just be a pay day. Have you ever figured proviron into your SHBG? I am always looking to lower the dose and sides while keeping the gains. What I am getting at is I prefer to keep my hair. Is what you are explaining a good substitute?
I don’t and have never ran proviron. I already naturally have low SHBG and don’t need to tank it any further. I’m always trying to raise mine. Obviously you don’t want it too high. But within the ref range around the middle to lower 1/3 is good. But mine on cruise/TRT was 8 nmol/L. And I was getting total test of like 800 on 200mg per week because my body was clearing it so fast.
What are you asking specifically? A substitute for proviron? Because that lowers SHBG and I’m talking about getting crashed SHBG back up into the ref range
Proviron has always increased my free test and made me feel great. I was looking for a natural substitute? You seem to be very knowledgeable but please don't start using anything new on my account. Keep up the good research!
Raising free T by crashing SHBG is not good. It doesn’t make you have substantially higher free T comparative to your total T value either. SHBG does steal test and never release it. It saves it from being instantly metabolized by your liver and excreted. It only binds to T for roughly 2 hours then releases. It’s a reservoir. If you want a higher free T with normal SHBG then inject more test. Crushing SHBG with proviron does nothing beneficial
Thank you for explaining
Hmmmm you learn something new every day. I’ve got hypothyroidism due to radiation and on 150mcg T4 daily. Pre-TRT my SHBG was always high AF keeping my free T low, under reference range. Makes sense now. You know more than my former doc did.
Prescribing doctors don’t know shit I run circles around them and it infuriates most
There’s a reason he’s my former doc lol. I agree 100%.
Interesting. Thank you. One of the many things I don’t have a full grasp of.
The use of Reta helped with my insulin sensitivity and that’s also been known to raise shbg and my labs say that to be true
Good to know. I run Reta year round so my “low” was sadly my baseline even on Reta.
Adding fiber rich foods can also help I like to make sure I get a good helping because I’ve had issues in the past with a fatty liver.
I also ran ss-31 which has shown early signs of reducing the oxidative stress on the liver they say mots-c is also supposed to help reduce liver fat accumulation
I probably get 40-50g fiber a day. Run mots-c 2mg/day year round as well. And do SS-31 in 20 day cycles
What is a good dose for ss31 in your opinion? I was feeling run down from motc, slupp, and dieting. So I’m taking a break from all three and running 5mg ss31 per day.
Was running 2.5mg ED. I buy the 50mg per vial kits and run 20 days per vial usually in 40 day cycles
I kinda wanna see your shits. Probably nice big turds with a clean wipe.
I’m very much so a routine oriented and scheduled person. I get up every day between 4:30-4:45. Do my shots, take my pills, weigh my self, take my morning shit, weigh myself again, drink my protein shake, then go downstairs and do my lifting and cardio.
I can’t be the only one who weighs themselves pre/post shit lol
That shit matters
I do a post morning shit weight check only. We do get up at the same time though. Also get most of my supplements in the morning. Late afternoon early evening pins.
Well with that much fiber that morning shit is usually a full and complete evacuation lmao. I usually only go that one time in the AM. Then spend all day filling back up to then punish my toilet again the next morning. I’m usually 3-4lbs lighter on my post weigh in.
Goddamn! Each log the size of a Gatorade bottle?
Holy shit! No pun intended. Lol.
Pre and post piss as well
You hammer on all cylinders sir
You can be a poor responder also. Converts to 1006.9 ng/dl. At least its not bunk. None of us here can answer that for until you post lab tests of the testosterone or reveal if you are on any medication and what else you are taking with the testosterone or even what lab. Or what do you usually test at with that dose.
It's like me asking you "will there be traffic at 2pm tomorrow on rt28 in my town?" You would respond "i dont friggin know!"
Yup
Response is individual af hence a true trt dose (not cruise) can range from 100-250mg and put different people in that 5-1000 test level spot