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Currently 147 lbs ( I’m 5’3”). I decided to cut while cruising on 180 mg of test and 4.5 mg of tirzepatide. Not sure if I’ll ever do this again as i did loose a good bit of strength and possibly some muscle too. I plan on doing a bulk in May. I’ve included my most recent testosterone results and i have other results available if anyone is curious about anything.

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BigDdaddy's picture

May have lost some size and strength, but your overall appearance is solid brother. Personally I wouldn't drop the Test to trt on a cut especially if I were using a GLP. That's where your size and strength went. If you'd have added some Mast in during the cut you'd have maintained more of the lean muscle and strength and keep the Test higher as well next time. All in all great work tho and keep pushing brother. You'll bounce back I'm sure!

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Min Diesel's picture

This was more of an off cycle experiment. My test at 180 put my total above 2000 which was probably the only thing keeping me from completely evaporating. May 1st ill start an actual bulk cycle so i already know im gonna get back more than i lost so im ok with that. Overall im happy with how i look but being this low of a body weight and having lost as much strength as i did i dont think Ill try this again.

BigDdaddy's picture

Good shit man. Dedication thru discipline...that's all you need. Sounds like you've got a game plan. What's your bulk cycle looking like?

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Min Diesel's picture

Gonna do a test p mast p tren a cycle with some anavar to kick it off. The tren i wont throw on until week 6 or so. I wanted to try a dry bulk cycle so we’ll see how it goes.

BigDdaddy's picture

What about throwing a little NPP in there? It's a killer addition for bulking with those compounds and still maintaining on the leaner side.

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Min Diesel's picture

Usually NPP is my favorite to use for a bulk. So i generally do use it. But this time im gonna leave it out. I usually don’t do more than 3 injectables at a time.

BigDdaddy's picture

I feel that brother. Have you ever tried running NPP for the first 8 to 10 weeks then switching to Tren A the final 6 to 8 weeks? Many guys I know use this method going into summer.

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Min Diesel's picture

That’s actually not a bad idea bro. I might actually have to implement that.

BigDdaddy's picture

Works quite well in my experience as well as friends of mine.

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Pandateston's picture

Bro, you’re looking great, for real.

I might have a take some won’t agree with, but I don’t see much benefit in dropping gear too low during a cut. I get it .. we’re in a deficit, so growth isn’t the goal. But from my own experience (and a lot of guys I know), when you drop too much, you feel exactly what you described…

Strength drops then intensity drops … and you risk losing some of that hard-earned size too.(meaning lean tissue)

Cutting is already stressful on the body, so pulling compounds down to near TRT or low cruise can feel almost counterproductive from a performance standpoint.

For me, there’s a difference between:

*Cruise
*Cutting blast
*Growth blast

TRT is a whole different lane … that’s health and longevity.

Anyway, just my miserable 2 cents. You’re still looking solid, brother … next time maybe try a slightly different approach and see how your body responds

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Milfpounder's picture

Fuck it I'm gonna blast

Petecastiglione's picture

Blast all over my face you mean

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randomdude's picture

While I watch

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Pandateston's picture

Brooo I believe in you … You and steroids got a love story… just don’t turn it into a toxic relationship. lol

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Milfpounder's picture

I love steroids. I would never abuse them

randomdude's picture

I love lamp

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Min Diesel's picture

I saw a couple guys in here a while back talking about it and thought Id give it a try. Loosing the amount of strength that i did in such a short amount of time was definitely an ego punch i had to come to grips with in order to keep moving forward.

Petecastiglione's picture

I’d even argue that cutting is when you want to up it the most. A lot of people don’t know this, but MANY pro bodybuilders stay away from orals in general during off season so they can push them during their prep.

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Jrihard89's picture

That and pros that have spoken about it like Compton has said orals fuck up eating and that’s the name of the game while growing.

Doesn’t take much drugs to grow, I’ve found more drugs while prepping and maintaining that hard earned muscle.

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Petecastiglione's picture

Bingo. The dosages for straight up size do not need to be high, that’s diet (in a calorie surplus), training and rest. A lot of pros don’t get too fancy with the injectables either during off season. Keeping the size, strength and obtaining the ultimate “look” is when it’s usually pushed, not the gaining itself. It’s crazy what a simple decent amount of test can do when things are dialed in in terms of growth

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Jrihard89's picture

Yup! So many amateurs throw kitchen sinks with high drugs to grow. All while pros literally shout their off season cycle and it’s mild.

An IFBB pro is from my gym we trained together back when he was small. He’s very open (beef stew) and he’s said his fav bulking is literally just 600-700 test and 300-400 deca or he likes EQ. 2 injectables and that’s it. Nothing crazy either. Just eat. He’s also said he’d never think to break 1 gram off season of just test but certainly while in prep he breaks. A gram of test

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Petecastiglione's picture

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You heard it straight from him. People have it backwards lol

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Dayum! Pimp stats

Petecastiglione's picture

Looking good! What source??

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Min Diesel's picture

I didn’t want to mention them as they exit scammed a bunch of us on here last summer.