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Now these is interesting… @Pandateston It seems the golden intl. test is spread to much more than just E and C as all of these are golden.
Now the mix slightly concerns me. 1 vial is crystal clear like the old good stuff, and the other 4 are orange and VERY cloudy. The opacity is what is concerning. I could not capture a picture but it is almost like they crashed mostly invisible to the eye. I am going to play with some heat, but I don’t like seeing that drastic of a difference between batches with a company where that has not been an issue in recent times.
Hoping it’s all g2g. Is this golden vs clear the variation of the new raws vs. the old raws @Osgear ? Why are the 4 mixes so much more cloudy than any of the other tests that have a golden hue?
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Oh shit well my buddy got some darker Test like this while ago like over a year ago, same brand and he can't use it because it gives him very bad PIP.
Yeah, that usually screams micro-particulates in the brew … raws not fully micronized or not fully dissolved. Even if you heat it up, those tiny undissolved bits can light you up with nasty PIP. Most of the time it’s from lower-purity raws or a sloppy dissolution process.
So I guess the best solution is to toss it. I was going to get it from him and try it but now I think I will pass. I guess I won't order this brand anymore, there are too many good ones out there. I still have a lot of their test but it's clear color.
Hello,
Ultima informed us that the 4 vials are from an older batch for which was used Purified Pharmaceutical GMP Grapeseed Oil with DMF, EP/USP - this happened because the oil supplier did not had MCT for some time. The clear one is from the newest batch with MCT Oil.
This is the case for other products as well that look a bit cloudy. They said that is nothing to be worried about and you can use the product safely. Just heat it a bit before injecting to make the oil more fluid and avoid potential PIP.
Respectfully!
So they’re claiming the cloudiness is solely from GSO? I’ve had plenty of GSO bases and brews that didn’t seem quite so opaque. If this is the case when heated it should stay cloudy but make viscosity changes if it’s not gear crashing? I always find it interesting when Intl. manufacturers quote GMP/DMF,EP/USP as they aren’t subject to the same rules & regulations. I guess if they are saying it would pass or is up to standards it makes sense.
So the clear is how things are going to be in the future with MCT, or is it only with the mix?
All of the other test products (E, C, TNE, trimix, etc.) that have become much more golden/dark are they in MCT? There has been some community concern/hypothesis as it has been so widespread with intl. test going darker, but this is definitely interesting!
Thanks for taking the time to reach out to them nonetheless.
I am going to play with temps and filtering to see if anything changes. I like to play it better safe than sorry with anything I put into my body, but it is unfortunate considering this is a promo. I hope there is a layer of understanding as this is a new occurrence. I am going to reach out in more detail. Thanks again.
Yes, they claim is the GSO. And yes, when heated it should stay cloudy but make it more fluid.
In the other products is the same situation, some are with GSO and some with MCT, depending on the batch. It happened this situation in the past as well. You can use it and if you experience any sort of issue, just let us know asap.
Respectfully!
Yeah brother, that kind of inconsistency would catch my eye too.
One vial crystal clear and the other four cloudy and opaque isn’t a normal “golden test” variation … that looks more like raw inconsistency, not a brewing issue from OS.
Based on what I’ve been seeing lately across different sources, I’m starting to think the problem is happening upstream, at the raw manufacturer. With all the shortages and delays going on, it wouldn’t surprise me if some batches slipped through without proper fine-filter QC.
Not saying OS is at fault … this honestly looks like something that started at the raw supplier level.
You work in the field and you know this way better than I do:
Cloudy oil usually means…
micro-particulates from raws that weren’t fully micronized, moisture contamination, incomplete dissolution (usually from “dirty” or low-purity raws) or a mix of short esters being more sensitive to temperature swings combined with raw impurities
Heating it will probably clean it up temporarily, but if it clouds again after cooling, that’s definitely a raw issue.
Your question about new vs old raws makes sense … but the difference between crystal clear vs opaque cloudy is too drastic to be just a raw color shift. Something in those four vials wasn’t filtered or refined the same way.
Let’s see what OS says, but your suspicion is valid.
I’d want clarification too before pinning anything that looks that far off.
But you know what would be interesting? If we could get HPLC testing and a purity/contamination analysis on these new batches.
Once again, I’m not questioning @Osgear quality or integrity(they’re a solid Src) … I’m just throwing out possibilities here, because the whole situation is way too strange … and like @smurfdude1234567 said, it seems to be happening only with the international labs… unless I’m wrong?
wtf is the juice world coming to...? It's been a very disappointing last few month regarding some very odd final brews coming out... from some extremely reputable sources. I can't comment on raws bc I definitely proved I was an idiot in that aspect of the game lmao f it I'm gonna do it anyway I can't help myself.. Maybe India raws are being used a lot more?
To be honest, none of us have a damn clue, bro.
Cloudy oil? Yeah, that’s the one thing that makes me look at the vial twice… could be contamination or incomplete dissolution (usually from “dirty” or low-purity raws), could be science, could be Jesus … who knows.
But let’s keep it real… at the end of the day we’re all still gonna pin this shit anyway.
Maybe cats4less unfilled vials aren't sounding so bad after all. They're at least smooth and clear
Lmfao I really don't mess with anyone now unless they test raws and k4l telling me that's pointless a few weeks back is ignorant he obviously cuts comers but trust others not to..? wtf cmon.. my guy just tested his raw ace powder.
37.60 mg of raw powder sample size
3.96 mg tren ace
9.45 mg test prop
22.02 mg tren e
This raw game is getting all fucked up.
I’m off today. Going to experiment with temps and filtering. They claim it’s just GSO and will stay cloudy despite temps or filtering. I’m curious.
You and panda are like encyclopedias lol
Curious about it as well
Yeah, can see clearly the one in the middle is the clear one. Other 4 def look cloudy compared to that one
I would probably run those through a 0.22um ptfe filter before injecting. Yellow hue doesn’t bother me, but I’d be extremely apprehensive to inject cloudy oil.
100% I am waiting to hear what they claim before any of this goes into my body. I am still looking for somewhere that could do some sterility testing not just quantitative/qualitative.
I don’t like seeing cloudiness without the slightest hint of crystal formation.
I'd like to see that too. Obviously quantitative/quantitative is important. But knowing what else might be in there is important too.
It just so hard to find in this market. Legal . Sure. Finding one of them willing to risk? Not many.
I recently had some show up (different brand, but one of the main intl ones. Pics in my profile) same exact color. Not cloudy at all tho. Have been pinning the tne, and prop. Just had bloods so will find out here in a bit if it's legit. Some of my older test is clear, and my pharma script test is always golden like this. Who knows.
Agreed the color isn’t the issue to me. The cloudiness without any crystallization is though. I only expect that when gear is crashing and there’s doesn’t appear to be anything out of solution visible to the eye.
What could that be? Serious question. Contamination?
Too many things.
Number one most common when they are reputable is gear is beginning to crash, but there is not even a hint of crystalline structures in the oil.
This makes me suspect condensation and/or unsterile condition.
Now some moisture itself isn’t dangerous - it’s the fact that if they didn’t properly wait for their vials to cool before adding in the oil, or even worse didn’t know to cook out possible moisture in the raws then who knows what other poor compounding practices have been used.
Again… all speculation, but I want to hear their input.
This could also be extreme bias from the field I work in. Cloudiness to me is textbook biological infiltration. Any medication we come across cloudy at places I’ve worked gets immediately tossed no further questions.
My mother is an NP who worked in hospitals all her life and has said the same is true there.
Hmm
This is just @randomdude ‘s internal dialogue every time he gets home to find @Janefonda hitting the hip thrusts. Questions for a moment- decides it’s g2g. Obliteration.
Hey. Dont Judge. You will be Judged by the same measure you Judge others. --
No judgement! I truly love the relationship!
There’s never any question. I just dive in.
The plot thickens.
Are is interesting, huh? It sucks because have never had issues here in a long time, but I definitely don’t like the cloudy gear when it doesn’t appear crashed. It’s crazy how drastic the two are.
I guess everyone had to pivot in some way recently…
Good call mate - I would say that's the older coloured test, not the newer dark stuff going around.
I've had plenty of Ultima that Yellow colour. Never had this Tren coloured stuff.