+ 8 4iu Dragon HGH IGF1
Last time I posted I was running 10iu of dragon HGH, one bolus dose at bedtime. That gave me around 1,330 IGF1. So after my fasting insulin creeping up to not great levels I brought it down to 4iu, bolus dose at bedtime. IGF1 level came back at 580. Result is slightly skewed since the night before I got bloodwork I only injected about 2iu (last amount of GH in vial and didn’t feel like reconstituting). Kinda wish I did do 4 to see if I reached 600 at 4iu. Either way, I honestly do believe that IGF1 level produced by the liver (serum IGF1) truly doesn’t mean much as far as muscle accrual. If you looked at me you’d think I was a DYEL. I have crappy bodybuilding genetics, and my response to GH really means nothing. Also, just because my IGF1 level is great doesn’t really mean anything as far as which source has legit HGH. We’ve seen people at the same dose with much lower and I’m sure there’s some that would have even higher levels than me. Oh and in order to keep it similar to last time; one vial of dragon reconstituted in 3mL water, I injected 0.3mL every night. Next time I’ll reconstitute with lower amount of bac water.
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How was your prolactin in the past? Same levels or is the hgh that increased it a little bit? And did these levels affect your sex drive?
I’ve checked prolactin multiple times in the past, it’s never been this high. Whenever I’ve had it tested I wasn’t on HGH, so it’s pointing to its use. My E2 is under control for both of these IGF1 tests and both times 44 and 45, ultra sensitive assays, so not estrogen induced. Definitely affected my libido, when I combine high test with HGH I don’t get that insatiable drive that high test alone gives me.
Very good numbers. But ya you’re right, systemic IGF-1 is not all that helpful. It’s even a negative in a few ways. It’s what causes growth in places we don’t want growth. It’s local IGF-1 in the muscle that’s going to cause muscle growth and hyperplasia, but we have no way to test that. Systemic IGF-1 can even be inhibitory to local IGF-1. Make sure you’re injecting IM into the muscles you’ve recently trained, not SubQ. If you’re running 5ius a day I’d put 2.5 into each muscle trained before bed. Minimum of 2ius into the muscle for local IGF-1 response.
You pin growth into muscle? I’ve never heard someone do that before. I have questions if so
Yes always IM. The subQ ROA was developed by the medial community for compliance reasons, not because it’s ideal. It’s much easier to get someone to consistently do a painless subQ injection everyday than a IM injection.
Nice how did u raise ur FERRITIN from 37 to 92?
Started taking “ Proferrin ES- 10.5mg of high Absorbing Heme Iron Polypeptide”, two capsules every night. No side effects from it at all, super light.
Have you checked your regular iron levels?
Supposedly if those are in good range and ferritin is low it is not a big deal
Yup, old values before supplementing: iron 93 (59-158), ferritin 37 (30-400), iron % saturation 20 (20-55), TIBC 454 (228-428).
New values with this lab: iron 80, ferritin 92, iron % sat 21, TIBC 379. The stuff between parentheses () are the lab reference ranges. What worried me the most back then was the elevated TIBC, which can indicate iron deficiency anemia (other things as well but that’s the most common)
What causes the low ferritin exactly besides apparently over donating blood
Could be a combination of things, for me it was probably: increased EPO from AAS increased iron demand to make more red blood cells, this was aided by the 10iu of HGH back then. On top of that I don’t eat a ton of red meat, just enough. Plus I was also supplementing with a big ass dose of turmeric supp, which can significantly decrease iron absorption. Combine all of that and you end up with a case of iron deficient stores without anemia. My RDW was above reference range for my CBC, so I was showing first signs of moving from iron deficient stores without anemia to full on iron deficient anemia. All of the values were corrected in my latest bloodwork.
Got u pal. Thanks!
Thanks champion Ill purchase it right now
How long do you think it took you to get the number back up from 37 to 92
Got it delivered via Amazon on July 31st, started taking it that same night, before the 31st I didn’t take anything, so my ferritin should’ve been around the same from the initial test in July and July 31st.
Thanks
itszoot89Those are the numbers I want to see!
Man, I wish it would transfer over to muscle hypertrophy and not my insulin sensitivity. HGH crushes it, after the 10iu I was running back in June and a bit of May my numbers were horrendous. I guess if your body is sensitive to exogenous GH the negative effects can also be worse. I’m still trying to bring it back down so I don’t get diabeetus
Usually from what I’ve seen 6 or under iu’s tend to be forgiving on insulin sensitivity. I suggest poss looking into Reta esp if you’re gonna run 10iu. That’s high imo
itszoot89I feel that brother. I got on 5ius and my lgf-1 score went from 116-179 .. needless to say I was a bit disappointed. I may be a low responder but I got some pharma Hgh coming in to put that to bed. I hope you get it fixed asap, must not feel so good.
I'm curious to see if with pharma grade igf-1 will be different
Wish pharma GH wasn’t so goddamn expensive. I also have no clue where I can get legit serostim. If I can find a source I’m willing to run 4iu per day for like a week or two and test IGF1 again. More than likely I’ll respond pretty similarly. As far as insulin sensitivity no clue, I’m sensitive as fuck to it