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+ 12 From 210 to 398 IGF-1: The Trilogy Finale

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To everyone who swore my low IGF-1 on Titan HGH was my fault… pull up a chair.

This is part three of the saga for those keeping score. Part one was when I posted 210 ng/mL IGF-1 on Titan at 8iu/day and the armchair experts flooded in with every excuse under the sun. Part two was after Janoshik tested the exact vial I’d been using at 87% purity and people still insisted it was me. Now here we are, the conclusion, and the numbers tell the whole story.

Suddenly, my low IGF-1 score was because I was:
• Guilty of “user error.”
• Reconstituting it wrong.
• Injecting it wrong.
• Using the wrong water.
• Storing it wrong.
• Letting it go bad in the mail.
• Leaving it in the sun.
• Running Anavar too long.
• Testing on a “bad day.”
• A retard (favorite one).
• Suffering from a “physiological issue”.

The theories piled up faster than my sharps container, anything except that the batch was underdosed.

We even had self-proclaimed hormone gurus with PhDs in Broscience confidently regurgitating the same tired nonsense like it was scripture.

Fast-forward. I changed nothing in my protocol:
• 250mg Test/Primo week.
• 50mg Anavar/day.
• Same diet, same training.

Only change? Swapped Titan HGH for Dragon HGH, still 8iu/day.

Result? IGF-1 = 398 ng/mL.

Baseline natty IGF-1 before GH was 85. Ultima HGH at 6iu/day put me at 316. Titan at 8iu/day had me at 210. Now Dragon at 8iu/day puts me at 398.

So to all the keyboard endocrinologists diagnosing me from behind a screen: It wasn’t my mixing, my Anavar, my diet, my training, my injection technique, my moon phase, or Mercury in retrograde. It was exactly what I said it was from day one: a bad batch.

Kits4Less took care of it the right way. Store credit, mass spec testing covered, and nothing but professionalism. The Dragon HGH I’m on now, which pulled 398 IGF-1, is from them and it’s delivering exactly as expected.

And that’s the end of the trilogy. From 210 to 398 IGF-1, it’s been a bit of a ride, a mix of frustration, testing, and finally getting answers. Along the way there’s been plenty of debate, some wild theories, and a lot of learning. At the end of the day, the numbers told me the truth. Thanks to everyone who followed this from the start, and I wish you all the best in whatever cycles, experiments, or goals you’re chasing next.

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mr.brooks999's picture

what batch of the titan was it?

TnTerror88's picture

So basically I should be sad if I just got some titan gh??

Kits4lessdomestic's picture

Send it out for Jano testing and I'm sure you'll be happy. I'll cover the costs if you want.

[email protected]

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Never doubted you one bit. I've had plenty of people tell me they've gotten shit they weren't happy with from k4L more than peptides and hgh, oils too.
And they sent someone adrol that was supposed to be pharma and was genetic. My advise to you use a different source!!!

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PrimoPantani's picture

I’m glad you got a result that you are happy with but igf of 400 on 8 iu really is abnormally low. Since your labs are all good maybe you just are a low responder or something. I also don’t think this is the damning evidence that you seem to see it as since the Jano tests that you submitted didn’t show anything wrong with the gh you were using. That said I am sincerely glad that the issue is resolved and wish you the best.

jshort's picture

Thanks for testing and sharing all of this. You rock!

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irongame427's picture

398 on 8iu still sucks lol. I’m 425 on 4iu. I’m not defending their GH, but 87% purity is still very high. Means you were still on 7iu a day, and absurd to be at 210 pm 7iu. going from 8-7iu doesn’t make you go from almost 400 to almost 200. It’s like 400 to 350, Based on the fact you’re getting 50ng/ml per 1iu. So there’s still something else going on here. I don’t necessarily think it’s you. I think Janos testing is missing something when it comes to GH.

Kits4lessdomestic's picture

Do you have a vial of Dragon, both reconstituted and in powdered format that you could send out? I'll cover the costs again -- I think it would be a really insightful way to close off this experiment. In theory, we should see that the reconstituted Dragon vial tests much closer in purity/content to the powdered form vial than the original Titan HPLC tests.

Waltdisneysbum's picture

Very good, kudos

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Kits4lessdomestic's picture

Awesome stuff! Thank you for following through with everything you said you would!

Bill1976's picture

I knew you were right all along. With good HGH you can get that same number form 4 iu a day.

doodlebob76's picture

My kits from them all reconstituted cloudy. A Kits admin told me I stored and reconstituted incorrectly resulting in the cloudiness (both lies on their end.) Yet when I tested my IGF it came back 409ng/dl on 4iu/day. Even though I tested decent and it was still "potent," their QC and Admins are definitely lacking

Joehenderson's picture

I hope you mean ng/ml

irongame427's picture

409 on 4iu is great. Exactly where you should be on 4iu. I’m at 425 on 4ius of pharm grade GH.

Adol's picture

Where do you get your Pharma Grade GH from if u don’t mind me asking?

irongame427's picture

I can’t post it on another sources picture. Send me a PM.

Adol's picture

Sent you a friend request , it’s not letting me send the pm

Kits4lessdomestic's picture

Hey man, would you mind forwarding me the email that our team sent you? I want to make sure they are handling these cases correctly.

[email protected]

DieselSemi's picture

I mean 409 on 4 IU is pretty good. Doesn't seem like the cloudyness vas causing an actual problem?