+ 10 Titan HGH 8iu/d = 210 ng/mL
I’m beyond pissed. I’ve wasted thousands of dollars on this supplier, and worse, three months of my life thinking I was running legit HGH.
IGF-1 Bloods:
• All natural, never touched HGH: 85 ng/mL
• Ultima HGH, 6 IU split AM/PM: 316 ng/mL
• Kits4Less Titan HGH, 8 IU split AM/PM: 210 ng/mL
Are you kidding me?
The worst part? I still have multiple unopened boxes of Titan… and even more of Dragon too. Total waste.
I knew something was off. I’ve been pinning 8 IU/day, split just like I did with Ultima in the past, and I’ve had zero sides. Nothing. No water retention. No hand numbness. No morning stiffness. Nada.
Meanwhile, back on Ultima? My hands were going numb at just 4 IU/day. That’s what real GH feels like.
So now I’m stuck here, doing everything right, perfect timing, fasting, clean injections, full training, and for what? 210 IGF-1?!
That’s barely better than natty, not anywhere close to where I should be. I should be in the damn stratosphere, not chillin’ in the low 200s like a clown.
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Update:
Kits4Less Titan & Dragon HGH: Janoshik Mass Spec Results
https://www.eroids.com/pics/kits4less-titan-dragon-hgh-janoshik-mass-spe...
Sent 3 samples to Janoshik for testing:
1x Reconstituted Titan sample from bloodwork
1x Unopened Titan
1x Unopened Dragon
Looking forward to seeing the results.
Hey! Thank you for getting bloodwork and sharing. Are you willing to send out samples to janoshik for testing? We will cover the costs directly, AND give you a $500 store credit.
Titan and Dragon are our most tested batches, we've tested the same batches multiple times now and we would be very surprised if there was a product issue. I'd love to rule it out though and make things right for you! I COMPLETELY agree that I would've expected a much higher IGF-1 score.
If you're interested email me directly [email protected]
Ben and I spoke, and I’ll be sending three samples to Janoshik for testing:
•1x reconstituted vial from the same batch that matched my recent bloodwork
•2x unopened vials (one from each of the remaining boxes I have on hand)
I appreciate the source stepping up, covering the cost of the testing, and even offering a $500 credit—much respect for being willing to work this out.
We’ll all see the results later this month, and I’ll share the outcome here once I have it.
Thank you for actually taking us up on the offer!
UNIT_i was about to order from them too... good thing i waited
send it in for jano testing
Has the source chimed in? See if he pays you back for janoshik testing. I sent a blind sample of pharma grade testosterone from a pharmacy here in upstate N.Y. It came back on point. I posted the results in my profile pictures. So I say he’s legit. Testing HGH is expensive and sending it cost me 65$. Has to be sent express world wide. Of it comes back negative maybe he gives you a refund. Keep his name good.
All three of my boxes turned out cloudy. I ordered bloods, will be drawing on Friday and posting results
Man I’ve been running their gh as well and I haven’t felt any of the normal sides either…. Literally no hand numbness and I usually get that very badly.
If you have any skepticisms I'll extend the same exact offer to you as well. Feel free to send out a few vials, we will cover all the costs and give you a $500 credit!
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This is also what prompted my suspicion. Usually after 4iu of previous HGH brands I’ve used I start getting numbness in my hands and slight swollen ankles/feet. On the Titan 8iu, it was smooth sailing the entire time.
After the IGF1 Titan test, I switched to the Dragon HGH from the same source and it’s looking promising. My hands and feet are already getting numbness and I’ve only been running it for 48 hours at 8iu split AM/PM.
Will do another IGF1 with the Dragon in about a week from now.
What brand and dose are you using? What’s stopping you from getting a blood test to verify your levels?
UNIT_negative sides and numb hands is the worse way to judge if hgh is real lmao
good high quality hgh like pharma i get no negative sides effects or numb hands only with shitty gh i do
How many iu you doing?? 2?
Guys on serostim get numb hands and that's the best hgh you'll get.
An you can get good high quality generic dam close to pharma.
So why does mk677 give you numb hands? And ghr.. peptides?
Perhaps that may be true to you. In my case, if I’m not getting sides it’s underdosed, as evident by most recent bloods.
Good HGH you get around 100 ng/dl per iu of HGH give or take so good HGH if you take 5 iu then you should have 4-500 ng/dl
Depending on where your baseline is. But that’s what I isually see with good HGH
Even though GH-to-IGF-1 conversion can vary from person to person, numbers that low just don’t add up. Could be a bad batch, underdosed GH, poor storage, or even bloodwork timing. Either way, definitely worth looking into.
Appreciate you sharing … K4L used to have solid GH, but maybe this was just a bad run, don’t know.
Thanks for posting
Curious, can you post the time stamp when the blood was drawn for each result???
So many fanboys in this thread, and people who don’t know what they’re talking about. It would be one thing if you did not have bloods on ultima GH. If all you had was baseline and these people could make a reasonable argument that these aren’t super underdosed. We’re not injecting IgF-1, we’re taking GH which must be converted to IGF-1 and this is highly individual. Some people people just don’t get great IGF-1 conversion, which is why Ipsen came out with Increlex.
However, you did get bloods on another brand of GH, and your levels have gone down on a higher dose. That’s obviously not how it should go. You shouldn’t be 100 points lower in 2ius more. How long after your shot did you pull blood? How long on this new stuff before bloods? Did you change anything else in your life? AI, serms, different steroids etc? All can have an effect on IGF-1 conversion..
To be honest your IgF-1 results on 6ius sucked too. But that doesn’t mean that GH was underdosed. You may just not get great IGF-1 conversion.
I think I saw some people down below challenging anyone to post a 500+ IGF-1 on 8iu? I can show you that on a lot less than 8iu…..it doesn’t take 8iu to get to 500 on real accurately dosed GH.
Sorry man but my post was directed to the guy in the conversation between he and myself, where he said that it wasn’t up for debate. My reply was strictly intended for him to show me the results, or it was indeed debatable. I never once said those results weren’t possible or it couldn’t be done.
Good post. There are plants of bloods on here that are around 500 some even over 600.
Forsure, including some of my own on much less. But just because I hit nearly 600 on 5ius doesn’t mean everyone will. That’s the hard part with GH. It’s a precursor to IgF-1 and other growth factors and all our bodies are different in how much IGF-1 production a given dose will stimulate. and there are a handful of other factors that will influence this a well. It turns out OP was running a couple different things that can influence his IGF-1 so we can’t say with any degree of certainty that there is anything wrong with this GH. We can say Forsure it’s not bunk since he’s still more than double his baseline.
I was on the Titan at 8iu for 75 consecutive days split 4iu AM/PM.
My bloods were drawn 2.5 hours after my morning 4iu injection while fasted and without exercise for the day both times.
I will say, “Dallas”, from Kits4Less customer care emailed me back this morning on the issue. As others in this thread have said, they are willing to provide store credit if I send in a vial for testing.
My issue is, the only vial I have left from the confirmed underdosed Titan HGH batch is already reconstituted. I’ve reached out to Janoshik to ask if they can still accept and test a reconstituted sample.
Separately, I still have two unopened boxes of Titan HGH, but I can’t confirm if they came from the same batch as the previous two boxes of underperforming vials. So even if I send those in, there’s no guarantee they’re from the bunk lot.
What batch numbers for the Titans do you have?
Steroid wise, are you on cycle now, what about on ultimas? Has your cycle changed compared to the ultimas, if so what new compounds, orals etc. And what about ancillaries, AIs, serms etc? All of these things can influence IGF-1 production.
These definitely aren’t bunk. If they were your IGF-1 would back at baseline, and they’re not. But assuming your cycle hasn’t changed, no added ancillaries, something’s not working right. You shouldn’t be going down while on a higher dose. But I don’t put too much stock into a single blood test. That’s just snap shot of the second the bloods were pulled. I’d probably up the dose to compensate and then check again in a few weeks. This is what’s always hard about generics. If you don’t want to deal with this run pharm grade at 4 bucks an IU. I think It’s worth everyone running pharm grade GH atleast once and pulling bloods a time to too. Then you know where you should be at a given dose and can accurately compare to generics. Even your 300s on 6iu is barely half of where I’m at on 5iu of pharm grade. Is that because the ultimas are underdosed too, or just because you don’t produce IGF-1 at a high level? We don’t know. But the way to find out is to run like 4ius of phram grade for a month and test. Then you have a real baseline to compare all future generics to.
Appreciate you chiming in brother. Back on the 6iu Ultima HGH I was running Test Cyp: 250mg/w, Aromasin 25mg once a week on pin day and Cardarine GW501516: 20mg/day.
On this current 8iu of Titan HGH I’m also running Test Cyp 250mg/w, Primo 250mg/w (as an AI), and Anavar at 50mg/d.
Nothing too wild by any means. But you’re 100% correct about running pharmaceuticals grade growth to determine your true responsiveness. I plan on doing that in the near future for the reasons you mentioned.
So possibility of tanked E2 running primo/test at 1:1 ratio? Possible liver stress from the Anavar. Contact Kits and send in for testing and put this to rest. A lot of questions need to be answered.
The questions have been answered now. This is what we needed to know.
Id be interested in seeing his E2 levels on the aromasin vs now on the primo and see if they are significantly lower now. But I don’t think he has that. One of primos primary metabolites is a relatively strong AI in most people. It’s possible his E2 is very low now and wasn’t on 250mg cyp, no primo and 25mg of aromasin a week.
A very smart person whose research I follow argues that estrogen has a direct correlation to IgF-1 conversion in the liver. And he says he can essentially predict IGF-1 levels based on estradoil levels. He makes some very compelling arguments on it. Problem is I have never observed any correlation between my estradiol and my IgF-1 levels. Even with mine crashed my igf-1 is still much higher than either of his tests. And it’s never been higher when I let my estrogen get high, like closer to 100. Between 5-100 the results are basically the same on a given dose of GH. But maybe I’m just an outlier.
Then there’s the anavar, which is obviously harsh on the liver and could decrease IgF-1 conversion. How much will depend on the person. Could be alot in some people. OP already have poor IgF-1 conversion based on his blood tests on the ultima.
So to OP, I would repull bloods after being off the Var for 3-4 weeks, and I would also test for testosterone and estradiol. There’s a very good chance there’s nothing wrong with this GH and the anavar is affecting your IgF-1 levels. And possibly your estrogen levels as well.
I plan on doing men’s hormone/CBC/lipids here soon as another quality control to check if the new brand of testosterone and primo I am on are doing their job after I switched brands 3 weeks ago.
Historically, I’ve been on Ultimas Test and Primo for the last year straight.Ultimas Test 250mg yields me around 2,000 ng/dL and Primo 250mg yields me right at the upper limit of the reference range. I am a high E converter, so fighting to keep it down is my biggest struggle, not the other way around.
I’ve ran Anavar off and on for over a decade plus, it has never once elevated my AST/ALT. the only time in my AAS journey that I’ve had elevated liver enzymes was when I ran Cardarine GW501516.
5IU of a certain international monkey brand puts me at 445. But if I’m slamming my liver with orals I’ve had it as low as 250 same dose. Again I was never debating it’s underdosed with OP. All I said was he was 2.5x above baseline, so something is in there (since he claims bunk) and then the only way to really know is take k4L up on the offer for them to pay to send it off for testing. I just hate seeing people go scorched earth on a source, get something tested and it comes back exactly what it’s supposed to be, and then crickets. It’s not a way of personal conduct I agree with. Which is why I said he better not ghost if it does come back as legit.
I’m not ghosting, brother. I sent three samples in for testing. You all will know the results as soon as I do.
I wasn’t implying you would either. Just saying please don’t. And yup I saw you did. Glad to see it. I personally haven’t used their GH in over a year. Some sources deserve a foot in the ass but this one at least tries to do the right thing.
I love the monkey brand.
True, but also would be good to know what change between the first brand and the second in terms of compounds and lifestyle. Igf1 expression tends to change with liver health and some AI's also reduce the expression of igf1 at the hepatic level. Too many variables to know for sure with such limited info.
PS: I haven't used this brand, the guy won't ship to my location. LOL
For sure. Will see if he provides that information. But if everything remained relatively consistent, including timing of his dose to bloods, then this isn’t good. If the GH is accurately dosed he should not be going down while his dose was increased.
However, his 316 on 6ius of ultima suggests he’s either his body just doesn’t produce that much IGf-1, or those were underdosed too. Because 316 on 6ius isn’t great. But some people can take 10ius of phram grade and barely get out of high normal. Which is why pure IGF-1 was developed. But me personally 5iu of pharm grade GH always puts me at or over 500.
Shooooot, I’ll take it off your hands
You’d probably have to hit a 30iu vial each day to get outside the IGF-1 reference range, so you’d have a solid 20 days worth.
Hahahaha I’ll try most anything once
Beyond disgusted. Feel like throwing up.
Yup, you win some you lose some in this game man. The biggest disappointment is the time wasted.
I know man it’s heartbreaking. As for me it’s a sign to hit the pause button and do a reset.
Smh. Source is super inconsistent
Definitely see a pattern. Just deleted my entire cart.
Until someone produces legitimate proof this is all speculation. The source stands by his products and will cover the cost. I’ve witnessed this time and time again and 99% of the time nobody comes forward with concrete proof. There are a litany of factors that can contribute to IGF blood test numbers that aren’t a direct correlation of the quality of the GH.
Every single time we've seen this happen and the customer went through with Jano testing, it has not been a product issue. Every single time. I'm not ruling out that it's a product issue, thats why I like to offer the testing in the first place. I just hope this individual actually takes the time to send it out. I offered to cover all the costs AND give a $500 store credit.
Bloods form another source with a high igf score on less of a dose is concrete proof.
Agree with encouraging more consumers participation , including complaints. It will contribute to better product quality. HGH sounds intimidating because of all the mumbo jumbo but you will know when it’s real. Not rocket science There is no mistaking it. There’s nothing like it. You will know.
Unfortunately so.
Until he sends off to get tested, which the source will cover, we won’t know if it’s the source or the user.
Thanks for your bloods! Respect a blood test