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At 14 weeks into my cycle, I had bloodwork done while running the following:

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 500mg/week
Primobolan (Primo): 400mg/week
Deca-Durabolin (Deca): 250mg/week
Growth Hormone (GH): 10 IU daily

Pinning schedule: Sunday and Wednesday
Bloods drawn: Tuesday

I'm satisfied with the results of this cycle. Overall, the bloodwork came back looking good, aside from a low total testosterone reading. However, this is something I’ve noticed consistently in previous bloodwork and seems to correlate with my naturally low SHBG levels. I’ve discussed this with others and might simply be an outlier in that regard.

This was my first time using Ultima Test E and Ultima Deca, and I found both products to be effective. Deca, in particular, really started to stand out around the 8-week mark—my lifts began to feel noticeably smoother.

The bloodwork results took about two weeks to come back fully. Since then, I’ve removed Deca and started a cutting phase while maintaining the same Test and Primo doses. I’ve added:

Masteron Enanthate (Mast E): 400mg/week
Cardarine: 10mg daily (primarily for cardiovascular endurance)
Retatrutide: 1mg daily (introduced at the beginning of the cut to support fat loss and appetite regulation)

I briefly introduced Tren E but removed it after two weeks due to an acne flare-up in the third week. Currently, I’m running:

Test
Primo
Mast
GH
Cardarine
Retatrutide

At this point, I’m convinced that Cardarine has a noticeable positive effect on my cardiovascular endurance. Starting next week, I’ll be doing 10 miles daily on the Peloton. With this stack, I expect the next five weeks to go smoothly. I’ve got five weeks left until my beach trip, bringing the total cycle length to approximately 22 weeks from start to finish.

Full disclosure this was formatted by chatgpt because my english is as good as middle schooler.

Asa's picture

Solid bloodwork, solid write up bro. What i am most impressed with is using chat gpt to format so you can speak with us. That's really cool.

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Badgoat1's picture

Im gonna ask how was your libido beceause i seem to be the only one who when i take any DHT derivitave it kills my dick. Primo, mast, eq, dhb all within a week just hanging limp.

cruznet's picture

Sorry to hear that brother. That would be a huge red flag for me. I have not experienced any libido issues on DHT AAS. I do admit each compound slightly alters that part of me. If im running primo I am still able to perform but Im not thinking about the action of it constantly. Mast is a slightly better libido where I am trying to initiate it more often. I dont have any experience with EQ or DHB. Deca makes me not last rounds and tren makes me feel like its my last chance in life. Even at low doses like 250 test 100 primo 100 mast , I feel completely balanced overall.

What are some things you have tried ? What dosages are you running ? Are you on any meds that could be contributing ?

Knowyourrole88's picture

Great cycle bro thanks for posting the bloods I gotta ask how do you feel on 10.iu of GH a day on eroids you rarely hear anyone go above the 6-8 range I never got above 4 ius a day I can assume where you got it from and heard good things and about the 500mg test a week I'm just like you. Brother I'm totally opposite of hyper responder in fact a 200mg.a week get my test was at 1050 at 250mg a week now it's right around 1200 bc of my genetic thyroid which is affecting the pituary. Thanks for posting bro great information and seems like u like all your gear and def on point with the supplements!

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cruznet's picture

I feel really good on 10iu of GH. I still have the expected sides such as tight hands and minor water retention. I titrated up to 10iu over time. This might sound strange but to combat water retention on gh I drink fresh squeezed lemonade daily. Since Its a natural diuretic and it can counteract higher sodium levels in the body.

I think sharing our experiences in the long term will be beneficial in sharing triumphs and fails. But I do feel we need to be pulling labs on more than just total test and e2. And on another note I think individually our bodies responds to certain anabolics better than others. Test mast and primo are by far the best compounds for me. Barely any hair loss and no acne, just nice size that is noticable in weekly physique pictures. Deca and tren can only be sprinkled in for me otherwise I start to have sides such as acne and poor sleep etc.

Thanks for sharing !

bigred250's picture

1mg of Reta daily?!?! Bro wutttt my appetite is cooked at 2mg weekly. 1mg daily I’d eat 300 cal a day lol

Nice bloods! Do you take any prescription drugs or supps for LDL?

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cruznet's picture

I dont seem to have the same side effects on GLP1's as others as far as hunger suppressant. I've been on sema tirz and reta. I've done once weekly shots and microdosing. I'm doing the reta daily to see if it feels different than a single administration weekly.

I am not on any prescribed meds. But I do keep ezetimibe on hand just in case I need them in the future. I will also add , I dont really run oral AAS. My lipids in this blood test are on oils alone.

TheIcon's picture

That was the first thing that popped into my head reading your bloods was 500mg of test and 1500 Total Test and I was like HUH?

Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn't usually a low SHGB correlate to a higher availability of Test. I would think his low SHGB would boost his test numbers not make them TRT level?

SeeOhShow's picture

Very low SHBG causes your metabolic clearance rate to shoot up. So your body is getting rid of that test as fast as it can. If you pin less frequently then you should expect to see abnormally low total test for your mg of test dose. You’ll still clear it quickly with frequent injects but you just replace it as quickly with the more frequent injects.

I suffer from this as well @cruznet so you’re not alone. I can’t raise my SHBG no matter what I do.

cruznet's picture

Thank you for sharing that I am not alone. I have seen bloodwork from other people where they also had crashed SHBG but total test was still high. Sometimes comparable to what you would find on steroid plotter if ester is accounted for. But Im certain SHBG is important for hormonal balance. Making it not ideal to crash it for extended periods of time.

Have you looked into tamoxifen (Nolvadex) studies and the effects on SHBG? There is a few out there. I need to run a actual test but I plan on running a cycle that will crash my SHBG and then implement 20mg daily for 4 weeks after switching to cruise and see what my shbg levels are.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8336343_The_Effect_of_Tamoxifen...

SeeOhShow's picture

I’ve always steered clear of nolva due to the negative impacts I’ve heard it has on igf-1….though a short stint of it to reset SHBG, if that works, would definitely be worth it for me.

cruznet's picture

Whenever I run the test , I’ll post the results. I’ll call it shbg recovery or something like that.

SeeOhShow's picture

I actually decided to buy some nolva from our convo. It’ll likely get to me next week and I’ll immediately hop on then test my SHBG. Mine was 4.8 on 5/16 (on TRT cruise it goes up to about 6-7) and that’s with not taking anything to tank it. I’ll see if 10mg/day of nolva can bump me up to hopefully double digits

SeeOhShow's picture

Is supplementing T3/T4 supposed to help as well? My natural levels are fine but I do have both of those in abundance in my stash

cruznet's picture

I can start running nolvadex last week of July. Probably would need a few weeks after for me to pull bloods on it. I’m all for running experiments!

cruznet's picture

You are correct. Low SHBG will provide high free testosterone. My understanding of total testosterone is its made up of SHBG bound testosterone, albumin bound and free testosterone. I also believe SHBG makes up a higher percentage of the three.

Sithx66's picture

Supplements are stacked good shit! Appreciate that info

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Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Nice , thanks for posting also.
I'm curious if you have a vitamin, mineral, supplement regiment you take daily??

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cruznet's picture

I had to edit the post to add the screenshots. The short list without a category is my blood pressure management list of supplements. The list with the defined category is my daily supplement stack. This is paired with a micronutrients food list spreadsheet. As I change my diet and eliminate foods I throw in supplements of missing micronutrient’s. When I am increasing food to a balanced diet I decrease total supplements. I need to make another revision to the food list. If you interested , I can send you food list in the near future.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Thank you, yeah I'll check out the list down the road for sure. That's well thought out there and makes allot of sense.

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Mikeyt84LINY's picture

I think u posted that one before actually right? It looks familiar.
Def good stuff.

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cruznet's picture

Yes I’m certain I posted one of these before. I think someone was asking about supplements in general. Still adding to my list whenever I have time to research.

cruznet's picture

Whats up Mikey ! Hope and and yours are doing well. Let me check how to post the screenshots of what I have.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Yeah I'm doing good brother thank you bro.
Hope everything is going as good for you as your blood works doing. Lol.

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Benny1818's picture

Very nice.. How is your HCT 44 at 500 test /400 primo

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cruznet's picture

To be completely honest I don’t truly know. I don’t do anything special. I stay hydrated and drink electrolytes daily like most. I have a supplement list that I have in spreadsheet form and take them daily. Whether they are water soluble or fat soluble.

To add to the confusion I take blood pressure almost daily and on avg it’s 108/68 without any blood pressure meds. I keep telmisartan on hand but I have never needed it. Maybe I need to be over 2grams weekly to need them? Time will tell I guess. Would be happy to share my supplement list if your interested.

Benny1818's picture

Sure bro that would be awesome! I am on telyrex.com no script needed check it out whoever needs blood pressure meds without a scripts etc. use code BELLA 20 off just tried. I wana always have that telmisartan On hand as well how many milligrams 80?
My BP is pretty much the same my HCT always at 51/52 I am also at 10000 FT elevation makes a big difference

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cruznet's picture

You bring up good factor on HCT factors. I’m around 700 ft elevation. Not a mountain man lol.

I second telyrx. I have telmisartan, ezetimibe, nebivilol from there. Shipping is super fast too.

Benny1818's picture

lol nice. So I take it it’s a good idea to have those three on hand when I start ramping up doses?

nebivilol / telmisartan aren't they both for BP?
Ezetimibe I hear works well but be careful some ppl can become forgetful.

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cruznet's picture

Those were recommended to me to have on hand by a few buddies. I share my health "stats" with them and they offer preventive suggestions based on my goals/cycles.

I think we should be careful with all prescribed meds which is why I always research OTC supplements or lifestyle changes or nutrition that can affect those blood markers.

BP nebivilol / telmisartan
Lipids: ezetimibe / Rosuvastatin

Benny1818's picture

So true. Last resort/ backup..

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Pandateston's picture

Thank you for sharing that! Telyrex will work perfectly for my needs! Even though I already got a supplier, it’s already a plus have an alternative option! This is gold!

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Benny1818's picture

anytime budds! My friends all love it.

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Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Yes i just asked to see it above

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Pandateston's picture

Bloods look stellar, Cruz … especially for Week 14 on that kind of cycle. Everything seems really well-managed, and you clearly know how to run your stack smart. Love how you phased things too; that smooth handoff from Deca into a cutting setup is textbook.

And I gotta say … I’m only two days into Cardarine myself, and I totally get what you’re saying. Endurance feels noticeably up already, especially deep into a deficit. Super curious to see how it plays out for you across 10 miles a day … you’re about to unlock a new gear.

Appreciate you sharing all this in detail, brother man… solid info for all of us walking the same path.

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cruznet's picture

Thank you brother ! I’m learning how to pivot on cycle every time I run one. Reference old cycle logs for repeated side effects and try different things to solve them. Logs on specific compounds has kept me from making the same mistakes which can be prevented.

I’ll let you know how the carderine affects me in the long run. I’m a believer, I already have more coming. 100 count didn’t seem like enough. I’ll try not to hoard this one like the injectables lol.

Anytime I can share something that can be insightful to others I will attempt to do so. I’m not the most active around here but I try to be. At the very least I can share bloodwork and cycles ran.

Pandateston's picture

Always brother !
Your insights are always greatly appreciated!

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Growtherino's picture

Good to hear you've had a lot of success on your cycle! I've gotta say some of your blood work has me scratching my head, though! 10IUs of GH puts your IGF1 at 311? Is that consistent with your previous experiences? I know for me I get around the same IGF1 with like 3IU a day. Same for your total test being 1500 on 500mg/wk. I know you said that is somewhat normal for you based on past experiences, but it's just wild to see when the same dose will put me at around 3500 IIRC. It's wild how much individual response can vary on some of these things, but as long as you're feeling good and getting the results you want that's what matters. Good luck on your cut, bro!

cruznet's picture

You bring up some great points that I am still addressing/ learning about myself. To address the total testosterone first. I’ve had blood work where I take test 250mg weekly solo and my total test comes back around 1600ng/dl and my shbg is around 20. I have another blood test with same dose and source and the only difference is adding additional compounds such as primo mast and tren and my results are 800ng/dl and shbg under 10.

Regarding the igf, I have not ever had an igf result higher than low 300. I have ran various dosages and also tried different sources. Typical gh sides are always there like small baseball mitts for hands. Tough to close etc. but I will add I have had igf in the mid 200 on lower doses and higher e2. My understanding is they have some correlation.

I appreciate the questions and feedback and most importantly the supportive words!

Growtherino's picture

Good eye that would make a lot of sense.

cruznet's picture

You might be on to something. Simple solution in my opinion is to order same labs and switch from quest to labcorp for my next cycle. Labcorp claims the test shows total testosterone over 3000

Growtherino's picture

Marek Health has a guaranteed uncapped one you can order individually. Just look for Testosterone LC/MS in their lab builder. Cheapest place I’ve found for labs, too. With tons of options to customize your panel. (Not sponsored just use them a lot)

cruznet's picture

Ill check Marek out for sure and see price comparison. This lab was ran from private md labs. Its the body building panel with a few add ons. The one I grab through my doctor is more comprehensive but he is not a fan of me running testosterone too high. Im currently doing labs every 3-4 months.