PED stack to take with Retatrutide
For 4-5 months earlier this year I went on a very restrictive, 1400-1600 calorie a day diet while lifting weights and doing cardio 5-6 days a week. I was taking 200mg of testosterone Cyp and Creatine during this time. I dropped about 25 pounds of fat and gained 9-10 pounds of muscle (Going from 225lb to 193lb). My macros were 180 grams of protein, 45 grams of fat and the rest in carbs. It was very hard but also very gratifying. I have not had a DEXA scan in 3 months, but I would guess that my current body fat is 16-18% (down from 35% last April). I've been on 2400 calories a day for a few months with my macros being 210 Protein, 270 Net Carbs and 53 Fat. I have continued to work our 5-6 days a week. My weight has been at equilibrium with these calories and workouts.
I'd like to get to 12% body fat and want to use Retatrutide plus 500mg of testosterone weekly to maintain my muscle gains. I probably would go with 1600 calories a day for maybe 8 weeks. I was curious if there are other PED suggestions to preserve muscle. I've seen posts where guys really load up while using Retatrutide. Looking for others experiences and thoughts.
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All I gotta say is be fucking careful with reta, that shit fucked me up, I'd stick with the suggestions below, 200mg test and hgh
Curious about your experience with reta, what issues have you had? I've been on reta for the last 3 months without any issues taking 1.5mg EOD. It definitely doesn't have the same appetite suppression as sema, but side effects have been way better.
No need to go to 500mg of test. Stay at the 200mg your at and add Reta.
Whats your test level while taking 200mg?
I've actually been at 500 for about 6 weeks. My free test is 1860 and ESTRADIOL at 60. I take .5mg anastrozole once a week and I have had no visible side affects. I pin daily. My plan has been to go back to 200mg of test a week at some point. (Honestly, its hard to determine how much extra muscle growth I get at the high test dosage....)
At 200mg of testosterone a week my free test was hovering around 1000.
The reason you were able to gain muscle and lose fat was because you had such substantial energy reserves (fat) that your body had the energy needed to build muscle while in a deficit. Now that you’re getting leaner, this effect will be much less prevalent if present at all. Adding more test would only increase water/glycogen retention giving you the illusion of gaining muscle while still cutting. I do my cuts on 200mg of less of test + HGH. I have photos on here that speak for themselves.
Don’t waste 500mg of test a week doing a deficit. You aren’t anywhere near your natural limit of muscle tissue, so the 200mg will be more than enough to preserve your current amount of LBM.
My question is this: Assuming I reduce my testosterone to 200mg weekly and incorporate HGH into my regimen and get down to 12-13% body fat. (I just had a DEXA scan and I am at 18% now). Would you advise someone then increase testosterone to add muscle? My thought is if I hit this fat% goal is that I would increase test, continue with HGH and possibly incorporate Primo or Anavar into my routine because they seem to be the "safest" steroids. I realize I am an older dude and have risks that others don't.
On a positive note: My first DEXA scan 9 months ago had me at 34% body fat which at 235 pounds is a lot of fat. I was super thrilled to get to 18% at 195 pounds. The DEXA scan also showed an increase of 21 pounds of lean mass, which I assume is muscle. My diet and health have been transformed and I love lifting.
Thanks for the guidance - great information. I will cut back on test once I commit to my cut.
anvilI have been following this type of cruise also, 250 test 150 primo 3.3 iu of HGH. I have sustained muscle lost some fat, I agree with everything SoS stated here the beginning is always easier then the end. I don't even cut calories that deep but everyone is different so no "canned answers". Going from 15% to 12% you will be more difficult to keep the muscle and or grow.
EDIT: Age says 64 - be very cautious using gear , I know you prolly will tell you know but we are all about harm mitigation here.
Nah Nah Nah, Nah Nah Nah ..... Ohh Oooh - SoS please someone Help me - It's not healthy for me to feel this ..... Y-O-U are making this hard
anvilI am making you hard ?? Good!
Thanks Anvil. Being 64 and new to gear is a bit of a dual edged sword. On the one hand, I really want to be careful and not do something stupid. Thus I have been reading, studying and learning as much as possible before injecting anything other than Test. Having said that, the clock is ticking and I am impatient for results. I got some excellent advice from a member of this forum to add in HGH as my next step before jumping into other compounds.
BarrettI'm 58 been using gear on and off for years. The best I've felt is at this age as long as you keep up with your bloods
anvilI agree with that HGH is a way better route.
Currently cruising on 200Test, 150primo, 2iu hgh.
Added 2mg of Reta per week to help cut since work/life has making it impossible to hit it hard how I would like.
anvilThat's my guy, doing it right!
Thanks to a buddy on here. 100%. I always appreciate the input. I am going to keep cutting until I get to low bf% then start bulking.
anvilSounds like a plan..I might fly away soon in the low 230s lol. I guess I'm gonna go to 228 or so. Maybe a little lower if I can handle it.
We will anchor you down with these winds lol. Weather has been all over place!
Such a great answer
Whats your total test? And i would add reta once you drop down to 200mg.
Reta works but its a trip. Some guys cant even handle 2mg other can handle 10mg.
Congrats on dropping the weight, its not easy.
But adding reta to your regimen will do you wonders.
Tbh, there is always some muacle loss though when dropping weight and incorporating GLP medicines .
What do you think of a 1000 a day deficit while on Reta?
They have apps online to track macros and you can play with them for weightloss,bulking, and maintaining.
I suck when it comes to calories for other people.
It is a more general question. Does one use a GLP1 to really cut the calories vs the typical recommended 500 cal daily deficit.
GLP1 aren't really made to "cut calories" they assist in different ways. The reason people think that is beacuse they dont eat. Slows the digestion down so fuller longer. Its easier to be in a calorie deficit on them.
I understand that GLP1s don' cut calories. GLP1s enable someone to go on a drastic calorie deficit. I am just trying to decide how severe of a calorie deficit I will go on without losing too much muscle. I realize some muscle loss is unavoidable.
Also Reta doesnt work the best for hunger suppresion like tirz or sema.
Nobdoy knows. Every single person looses it differently.