+ 5 •—The Cheap Prolactin Reducing Alternative—•
@Musclemem and I were discussing prolactin related sides and how to stop hot flashes dead in their tracks.
This is not original work, but more of a copy and paste from an old topic board,,
Vitamin B6 is a surprisingly effective prolactin inhibitor that is extremely cheap and safe: One human study showed a single 300mg dosage of B6 exerts ‘a hypothalamic dopaminergic effect’ which causes a ‘significant decrease of plasma prolactin’(1);
Another found that 300mg of B6 taken twice a day by 10 normal women lowered prolactin levels and slightly but significantly raised growth hormone levels. The authors concluded: ‘The effect of vitamin B6 is likely to be mediated by dopaminergic receptors at hypothalamic level’(2);
Another study found B6 to significantly reduce ‘opioids-induced hyperprolactinemia’(3)
This study on men found that ‘Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise’(4);
And a study on male rats found that, ‘Pyridoxine hydrochloride significantly suppressed the chlorpromazine-induced prolactin rise (p less than 0.01). However, the suppression was significantly less than that produced by bromocriptine (p less than 0.01)’(5).
pyridoxal 5’-phosphate.. Pyridoxal-5’-phosphate (PLP, P-5-P) is an active form of vitamin B6. This all-around vitamin enables the metabolism of amino acids, carbs, and lipids in your body. It’s involved in [1, 2]:
Supporting the immune system
Controlling blood glucose
Creating hemoglobin
Enhancing antioxidant defense
Along with vitamin B12 and folate, vitamin B6 also helps break down homocysteine and thus protects your heart, brain, and reproductive health [3, 4, 5].
Vitamin B6 is a crucial nutrient for cognition and mental health. Low vitamin B6 status can lower your brain’s production of serotonin and GABA – two neurotransmitters that control mood, pain perception, and anxiety [6, 7].
A variety of foods, such as meat, fish, nuts, grains, and vegetables contain vitamin B6. You can get enough of it from food, but supplements will provide much higher doses when you need them [8].
Your body converts vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) from food and supplements into active pyridoxal phosphate in the liver. Supplements with active P-5-P are promoted to be more efficient as they don’t require conversion, but the available research is limited.
Proponents:
Doesn’t require metabolic conversion
May be more efficient than pyridoxine
May be better for some types of infantile seizures
May be better for sideroblastic anemia
Skeptics:
Not well studied in humans
Causes digestive issues in some patients
May suppress prolactin and growth hormone
May not be safe for pregnant women
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Good post ChuckDuck
Let the prolactin fade and the alzhiemers rain!!!
We don't want that!!!
Too much of anything will kill ya, what if I’ve been planning and end game and just pin like 10 grams of Tren in one day?!
We'll need to get an intervention going for ya lol. Don't do it
BysandtrysThis article was very good at explaining a lot of nuances around the potential toxicity around vit B6 & P5P, also includes some useful solutions.
https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/this-is-what-causes-b6-toxicity
Thumbs up brudda
Yeah and its also neurotoxic (which you forgot to add under skeptics, and which is also proven) so hard pass on 600mg b6.
Nutrients. 2023 Jul; 15(13): 2823. Published online 2023 Jun 21. doi: 10.3390/nu15132823
PMCID: PMC10343656PMID: 37447150
“ Conclusion: Current scientific evidence supports a neurotoxic role of B6 at high levels. Although some studies suggest that low B6 is also a potential risk factor, further studies in this area are needed.”
Whats your point? Since like I said high dose B6 is just a bad idea.
You said I forgot to add so I added, and I cited it
Woah there I don’t want no smoke my G
Lol, no smoke here all good
I take P5P i think it is and zinc
Actually 100mg P5P(B6) daily and 50mg Zinc(as zinc oxide) daily
anvilI like it. Appreciate the detailed info my brother.
Don’t forget the chelated zinc for the loads.. the wife will stay happy
How much do you take daily? I'm doing 22mg but don't really see a difference two weeks in.
50mg is enough to suffice; however at that dose it will affect your copper levels. I’m surprised @ 22mg daily you don’t notice an increase in load size lol
Tell you what depending on what form of zinc, it destroys my stomach lol.
I’m down for the count taking zinc gluconate on an empty stomach, sweats, nausea … if I run and grab the milk quick enough it can stop the majority of it from progressing .
Good point DeeMan
man, I couldn't eat for hours. Talk about nausea it was horrible. That's why I take certain forms. Gluconate kicks my ass every time
Musclemen always brings good conversations
EDIT: CITATION
TY - JOUR
AU - Witwit, Suha
PY - 2018/10/08
SP -
T1 - The Role of Vitamin B6 in Reducing Serum Prolactin in Comparison to Cabergoline
VL - 10
DO - 10.25258/ijpqa.10.1.17
JO - International Journal of Pharmaceutical Quality Assurance
Mikael Fogelholm, Vitamins: Metabolic Functions, Nutrition in Sport, (266-280), (2008).
https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470693766.ch20
CROSSREF
A Hofmann, RD Reynolds, BL Smoak, VG Villanueva, PA Deuster, Plasma pyridoxal and pyridoxal 5′-phosphate concentrations in response to ingestion of water or glucose polymer during a 2-h run, The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 53, 1, (84-89), (1991).
https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/53.1.84
CROSSREF
J. McMillan, R.E. Keith, M.H. Stone, The effects of supplemental vitamin B6 and exercise on the contractile properties of rat muscle, Nutrition Research, 8, 1, (73-80), (1988).
https://doi.org/10.1016/S0271-5317(88)80089-7
CROSSREF
What a good post. I was researching this exact thing myself as I'm using a 19nor. I've been taking 300mg once daily with vitamin e and other things. I might up it to two after reading this. I guess we really are eye to eye. Me an you. Maybe it's where we're from. Or maybe it's just the tren? LoL
Trens the only compound that has me paranoid to question the legitimacy of said Tren.
You have to post links to your citations or its plagerized. Good info there!
Thanks Rusty I got it in the comments now (:
LMAO
Who? Flashbacks of someone else still in your mind?
BJJ UNIVERSEHas anyone tried to reduce P-5-P high prolactin when using nandrolone?
Yes. B6 and keep estrogen in check. Use your blood tests to prove or disprove your bodies reactions.