Test, GH, Mast, and Primo
I recently consulted with a doctor who is also a bodybuilder (won't mention names) who has gained popularity recently for unconventional beliefs regarding steroids. He is extremely qualified in this arena; that being said I want to share his professional opinions amongst fellow eroids degenerates =] feel free to chime in. I will list them now in order from least to most controversial. Generally his methodology is designed to be slow, steady, and safe.
For most clients (meaning guys who aren't competing in bodybuilding shows) he only allows them to take testosterone, growth hormone, masteron, and sometimes primobolan- in that order. According to him, taking testosterone without growth hormone is like running a race on one leg. The test provides hypertrophy and gh provides hyperplasia, this combination being extremely synergistic for anabolic muscle growth.
He also doesn't allow oral steroids for clients unless they are competing in shows. This is mainly because the strength, size, and cosmetic effects of oral steroids are mostly temporary and toxic to the body- anotherwards why put yourself through that kind of pain if you're not stepping on stage.
Perhaps his most controversial opinions stem from his arguments around the DHT steroids masteron and primobolan. Most agree that mast and primo are generally the safest steroids to stack ontop of testosterone. He prefers his clients use either mast or primo for bulking, and snubs his nose at deca like it's a dirty turd of a steroid. Even more controversial than that he claims that masteron is a better bulking steroid than primo, and the people claiming primo is better for bulking are just parroting old information. He says the main usecase for primo should be it's AI properties to use along with high dose test. Supposedly primobolan is also worse for liver and kidneys than masteron- another reason he prefers masteron.
Lastly he's stated that primo and masteron actually don't cause hair loss despite being steroids derived from DHT. The reasoning behind this (according to him) is because DHT derived steroids don't effect hair the same way as steroids that convert to DHT such as testosterone. To sum it up, he's stated many times that testosterone is far more dangerous for hair loss than mast or primo... To quote him he said if you can handle a high dose of test such as 1000mg/week without hair loss than you should therefore be able to run 200mg/week of test with 2,000mg/week of mast and not lose hair either.
Curious to hear your thoughts.
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Basically all that stuff is the normal beliefs now. Besides the hair DHT thing. Every one nowadays seems to start off slow and then get into everything crazy, tren, orals, high test, or anything they can try. Then they start coming back to the basics, test, gh, primo. And realize that’s all they need and then swap mast for primo and take which ever they prefer or in most cases cheaper.
Also I’ve heard many times, you can basically run gear as long as you want and it’s fairly safe as long as you don’t touch orals and tren, or any other exotics. Stick to the bio-identical hormones plus the mast or primo and you’re good.
It’s not bad advice and is just kinda generalized and can be tailored to the individual. I’m sure there’s some nuance to it, but overall it works. (Besides the hair shit and DHT I have no idea about that)
This is it. If you're familiar with Paul Barnett's circle of associates than you already know who the doctor / IFBB pro is. As far as the hair loss thing goes, the ultimate deciding factor on how much you'll loose is genetic disposition to MPB- I'm not sure if I'm ready to test it out for myself tho lol. If I do, I'll be using RU58841 as a preventive measure regardless.
The way you describe it seems like this guy is presenting his views in a simplified manner. He probably chose such approach so that even beginners can understand him.
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If the advice is for those who will never be on stage, then, following his logic, why include anything besides TESTOSTERONE? HGH is not a harmless product, and the fact that it provides hyperplasia doesn’t reduce its potential problems.
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The statement about oral steroids sounds strange to me . I’d be curious to hear his thoughts on inject forms of: METHANDIENONE, OXYMETHOLONE, STANOZOLOL, TURINABOL, and OXANDROLONE. Perhaps you worded his claim incorrectly?
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I will share my opinion: we’ve all heard about using various steroids as AIs, including BOLDENONE. Perhaps there’s some merit to it, and maybe they really are strong and effective inhibitors.
Although I suggest we look at it from another perspective. How many guys do you think run their cycles with high doses of TESTOSTERONe combined with PRIMOBOLAN, and how many of them use ANASTROZOLE or EXEMESTANE for this purpose? I think the answer is obvious.
I need to elaborate further, to explain the bigger picture.
His strategy is to only use high enough testosterone to raise estrogen to a favorable level to get the maximum benefit from the growth hormone. Estrogen enhances the muscle tissue's sensitivity to IGF-1. The key of his philosophy is to modulate the estrogen high enough to get the growth hormone benefits without making the estrogen too high and suffering side effects. He also favors Primobolan (and sometimes Equipoise) to modulate estrogen in lieu of AIs due to how they crash estrogen and the effectiveness of gh. I've never heard him mention the drawbacks to using GH.
In regards to the injectable orals that's a good question, I never heard him mention oral steroids in injectable form- however he is a proponent in sublingual administration. He made an interesting point that if you crush an oral steroid tablet like an anavar pill and put it in water, it won't dissolve. Sublingual oral steroids are made with a DSMO solution for this purpose. A popular US based vendor on these forums actually stocks a liquid anadrol and anavar product made this same way.
What a load of bollocks is what I think tbh, guys a fucktard you run 200mg test and 2000mg of mast and come back tell us what’s up.
You use nandrolone correctly and it’s absolutely amazing full stop. If your prone to male pattern baldness then it’s coming for you at some point regardless now use gear you’ll speed it up and mast and primo will speed it up quicker than test..
I'll just say there are a lot of bald guys running gear. If you stick to test only then the "big 3" can effectively mitigate hair loss sides, at least that's what I've heard. I know bros who started on primo and hair starts dropping. I'd love it if your doc friend was correct.
Run masteron like that and your prostate will have you in hospital with catheter. Its happened and been podted here before
Agreed. Honestly, this topic seems ridiculous. You can say a bunch of stuff and even try to justify it but no one can deny the obvious things.
Don't shoot the messenger. I know it's controversial information and I'm not claiming his word is gospel. I just thought his qualifications make him unique and worth listening to. I had a feeling there would be a lot of bashing in the forums so I left his name out of my post, but I DMed you his name and youtube channel if your curious to listen. He goes live often and is open for discussion.
*EDIT - apparently I can only message friends so I sent a request
Follow the money and build the fanbase. Be safe!!
In his defense he's made statements like despite being an HRT clinic Dr. generic GH is just as efficacious as prescription Serostim. If he was giving bunk information to make money I dont think he would steer potential clients away from his HRT business so they can save money. Scammers generally use tactics like saying you can loose weight on a pizza diet and shit like that. None of that.
Also he's literally an IFBB pro competitor and HRT doctor so I mean...