posted Sat, 08/17/2024 - 20:50
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50MG anavar ed at beginning or end of cycle? or can i do 4 weeks at the start and 4 weeks at the end of a 20 week cycle?
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i see mixed recommendations on taking anavar to kick start a 500mg test cycle or waiting to finish off the cycle with the anavar
either way i have 60 anavar pills and i was wondering what the most effective approach would be. kick start my 500mg a week cycle or hold off to the end?
or can i take anavar for 4 weeks now and then end my 20 week blast with another 4 weeks of anavar? honestly only adding the anavar for some possible extra strength gains, vascularity and pumps.
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For me personally such cycle would look something like this:
TEST 500mg every week + DBOL 30-40mg (first 4 weeks)
4 last weeks: TEST 500 MG every week + 50mg ANAVAR ed (you can lower var's dosage)
20weeks is too long. 12 weeks and var 8-14 with clean diet
anvilAnavar isn't going kick start anything, except a really bad lipid panel. While I agree with 20 weeks, this old linear 500 across the board stuff has to go. Use blood work as your guide, diet,training and then gear as you go. Blood work looks good then you can go from there. There should be no set dose or time table, as your health markers worsen that's when you should slow it down or stop. It Take 4 weeks or more to get stable blood plasma levels so at that's 8 weeks on gear? Seems really short for those who suggest it. Then you stopping and starting all over again. Unless using all short eaters that's like how many starts and stops per year? A lot.
The problem is realistically most people probably don’t even do one bloodwork a cycle let alone multiple. Even if they do a single bloodwork you only get that one snapshot in time. When do you decide your health markers are going south?
As for 500mg standard I also agree. People respond differently to exogenous testosterone. Whenever I blast I only go up to 300mg and it’s absolutely plenty for me. I don’t need 5+ times normal testosterone levels to grow because that’s not where I am. I already feel like a god increasing lifts practically every workout at that 300mg mark.
Muscle can only grow so fast safely anyway. I’m not looking to get lifelong damage to my joints or rotator cuffs or something because they can’t keep up. I also don’t want to damage my heart or circulatory system. Why put myself at higher risk for only slightly higher potentially higher results.
Especially for a first cycle. If you’re cycling then you’re probably in it for the long haul anyway. And unless you’re competing I see no reason to go overboard.
anvilI would decide when I am doing orals ( I low dose anavar only) but if I was and then as I get deep in the "cycle" . So if they don't chose to that's on them.
There is no shame in the game whatever your goals are, fact of the matter is you can do 5* the test and still not grow "big" . You have very different goals then I do, and that is respectable but just taking more crap doesn't ensure huge growth or muscles tearing, or heart damage.
I have never told anyone here to use what I use only, go by health and progress. If you taking any amount of steroids you are taking 200, 300, 400mgs per week. You are doing harm to yourself, so no one can hide behind low doses. Plenty of guys here ask me what to do about BP issues even off "cycle" Or cholesterol, or torn chest/calves when they weren't taking anything.
I am just advising the best I can based on goal that people have set here for themselves. You are doing what you love to do, you don't need to take anything I say to heart, just that no matter what I have said it was looking out for you or whomever!
Very informative and well written, thanks
This is true. Everyone is different and you gotta figure it out how to achieve your own goals while being as safe as possible.
This is why I think test only first cycle is still good regardless of dose. Figure yourself out then add on to figure that shit out once you have your base figured out.
Good advice. I still think starting small is better personally to be “safer” but people will figure themselves out.
Nicely said and you're absolutely right on a few things boss....taking x amount of gear doesn't guarantee x amount of growth and taking small or moderate doses is still inflicting harm on the body. Guess it comes down to how much harm you wanna inflict on your body. That's my philosophy. Like I said I've seen both kinds of dosing. Damage and more damage either way. @Drask88 keep doing you and of course be safe.
I’m actually shocked by how many people I know in real life, at my gym and job that do steroids that haven’t ever gotten bloodwork done. As soon as they tell me that I stop talking to them about anything related to anabolics lol
I would shorten to 16 weeks and so Var last 8 weeks at 30 or 40 mg. When I push it to 50mg, it’s too much for me and I have to cut it short, not to mention one of the worst orals for lipid profile. Everytime I want to run it 6 weeks, I simply can’t.
50mg Anavar Tablets are for Experienced users usually, who have already tried an Oral compound out first using the 10mg Tablets. If you are planning 20 weeks for your first cycle (which ideally should be 16 weeks) then run Test only, you shouldn't be adding in an oral also let alone 50's. 50mg's in any compound has the tendency to shoot your BP up which is why the first time you try the compound you at least make sure you can tolerate it well first at 20 to 30mg per day. If you do well at those doses for several weeks then sometimes push it to 40mg BUT Do not start off a compound that you have never used before with 50mg Tablets.
I’ll definitely take that into consideration.
You really want to take it when the test peaks in your body so first 4 weeks will not be your best option I’d go with last 8 weeks of cycle or in the middle, 20 week cycle is pretty long what are your previous cycles like?
Just been on 200mg for a couple months prior to switching to 500mg. I know I should just do a test only cycle but I’m impatient lol and have all this anavar already. But I’ll wait to start it in another 2 months or so
The “ but I’m impatient “ comment carries alot of weight and makes me question if you should be using anabolics at all. Health and safety should be your first priority. Training/diet/rest should come after that. The instant gratification will lead you down a very dangerous path. This is not a sprint.
I’m impatient to get home from work everyday but that doesn’t mean I drive home going 150mph
And to be fair none of us should probably be using anabolics
anvilI think you are taking this comment out of context. Gear and training are the long man's game. People looking for fast results do more harm then good, most the people here are stating simply because you have 50mg anavar doesn't mean you have to take it now.
Again most of what you are saying I agree with, we just advice here based on harm/risk mitigation.
I respect what you’re saying but I just think that whole “well maybe you shouldn’t take gear at all” to be such a dumb statement that people toss around as some cringey subliminal insult to make themselves feel like they are experts on anabolics and that it’s less harmful to them because they have a bit of experience. Lol
Not everyone is born with all the knowledge in the world on steroids which is also why I asked the question about what’s the recommended time to take anavar in the first place. And clearly we are all impatient to some degree or else we would all train naturally for 20+ years and not put our bodies in harms way for faster than normal muscle gains.
I see that phrase tossed around in these community’s like clockwork and it’s usually aimed at people who are actually trying to educate themselves and practice harm reduction.
If I take anavar today or if I take it in 5 years it doesn’t make it any safer or less harmful to my lipids.
And then I read the guys profile that is telling me “maybe you shouldn’t take gear at all” and see he’s been training for “3/4 years” he’s a construction worker and takes tren. Seems hypocritical and dumb to me. Respectfully
I agree with your statement. However, I think there are two things most experienced users are worried about when they ask the questions they do of people who have never used AAS before: 1) Are they willing to put in the work - e.g., diet, rest, and exercise? 2) Are they old enough to understand the consequences?
The first question is asked, at least by me, because the results a lot of newcomers to AAS see are for them significant, but which are not unattainable without the use of AAS if their approach to diet, rest, and training is approached with vigor. I am referring to the guys who could get the same results of 2-3 years of proper training, diet, and rest, rather than just jumping on gear. Most of these guys don't even look like they are on cycle, and they lose everything they gain once they come off cycle because they continue to eat, train, and sleep like shit. And what else do they get in return? Potentially unwanted health side effects from the use of AAS and all for the sake of "impressing" some chick at a pool party.
I ask the second question because it is supplementary to the first one I ask. A lot of younger guys do not fully appreciate the consequences of their actions and how they are potentially fucking up their health markers and, quite possibly, must one day take TRT because of their decision to take supraphysiological doses of AAS. This is the internet, bro. People lie about everything, including their age. While I am not naive enough to think that everyone who uses this website orthe internet in general is honest (because most aren't), nor naive enough to think most people give two shits about any advice they receive that might help them avoid unwanted side effects of using AAS, it is worth it to me if I can reach even one person out of a thousand people I speak with.
anvilNo that correct, no matter when you take the anavar it will still be anavar. I would agree with all you say except you keep on Chad, whom is like a brother to me.......So I am trying to be nice!
You take things way too personal brother. My comment was aimed directly at you saying you were impatient while talking about gear usage. I do 1 cycle per year in the spring and summer months, and I do with the utmost caution and responsibility including bloodwork, blood donations and supplementing to stay as healthy as possible. Also, my cycles are ran at low to moderate dosages. Not everyone responds to gear the same, so to point out that I use Tren is an ignorant statement in itself. Some ppl can handle it and some can’t. There is a risk with everything we put in our bodies. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t eat shit processed garbage all day long. Again, don’t get so defensive bro, I wasn’t making a personal attack on you. A lot of ppl pop up around here doing crazy shit and running crazy cycles with no clue of what they are doing and put themselves into a bad spot health wise.
I didn’t take what you said personal at all. To say I shouldn’t do gear based solely off one sentence I said, which was sarcastic in nature, is ignorant as well. We can agree to disagree.
So because I didn’t assume it was sarcasm is ignorance? I was reading it exactly like you said it. We really don’t disagree on anything. Most ppl would read your comment and come to the conclusion you are gonna run the Anavar anyways, otherwise you would not have said it. Maybe next time be clear of your intentions and there won’t be a mix up with how they are perceived. Also I’m pretty sure that @press1 was speaking to you on his reply. Be safe bro. Lift hard. Be smart. Good luck.
Yea I am going to run it but at the end of the cycle if everything is going as planned by then. Thanks for your info brother. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot at first or whatever
I look forward to learning much more in the future. Both by experience and from people around here
Also side note. For anyone wondering I don’t mind sending a picture of my physique. I just don’t want to post it publicly and It being tied to the name “loose anus” on a steroid website lmao and I can’t just censor my face I have way too many identifying marks
All good bro. My intentions are never malicious so I’m sorry if they came off the way. A lot of newer members pop up and don’t realize how reckless they are being, we all try and do this the safest way possible.
LOL Yeh its all become a bit jumbled up that now - I was speaking to him about you but I think he realised.
anvilYes we can disagree, Chad is no mere man. He is a legend to me, he trains hard, works hard and takes full care of his family. That being sad, I think he was talking about the mindset. But again I am always going to take my brothers side, so apologize in advance for this comment...Take the drugs you set out to take and in 20 weeks post up your progress pics, otherwise you can shove your keyboard in your Luceaniss.
Thanks for the suggestions but I don’t believe shoving a keyboard up my ass will result in the gains I’m looking for.
anvilCopy, that maybe the tren hex speaking LOL
I do want to eventually look similar to you though. I looked at your pictures. Pretty impressive.
anvilThank you, I am almost 50 though so I am sure you can out do me.
I’m 38 and you look like you’ve been training for half of my lifetime at least lol
anvilYes, that is why I confident I continue on my streak of PW (personal worsts) you will continue to improve and grow!
This Guy is one of the nicest and most responsible members on here buddy - you would do well to listen to him. He only has your best intentions at heart.
I appreciate that tbh
Brother this has become a common thing and it won't get any better. Not sure if guys take guys like us seriously when it comes to us saying certain things and giving advice. Lol nothing about me is fake. I practice what I preach and if some folks don't believe then that says ALOT about that person ya know? It's about being safe while using this stuff. I won't be shaken off that message
20 week cycle is pretty long for a first cycle, recovery will be harsh , I’d go with a 12 week cycle, are you running any hcg ?
No I’m done having kids and I’m on trt also
I see, but 20 weeks is still a lot for a first time blast, I’d only do 12 weeks.
What difference will 6 extra weeks of 500mg test do? As far as possible health issues. Everything I’ve read says try for 20 weeks lol
Also doesn’t it take 6-8 weeks for the test to fully saturate. So let’s say it takes 6 weeks, then I’m only getting 6 weeks of peak levels to make gains? I see PLENTY of first time cycles running 20 weeks. Usually 16 at the least
I’ve got most of my education on this from Reddit so take what I know with a grain of salt lol
But even the steroids wiki there recommends 20 weeks and I’m under the assumption that eroids is what r/steroids used to be
12 weeks was the old school protocol for cycles, but times change and we learn.
16-20 weeks is the new normal and what I recommend. As for the Var run it at the back end of your cycle and I would personally run it so I was finished with the Var 2 weeks before I finished the 500mg of test if I was going to drop back onto TRT
Yea I already had all this planned out with 20 weeks in mind. I’ll do bloods again mid cycle to make sure everything still looks good. That pushes me right up until Christmas so I can reassess if I want to keep bulking for a couple more months or go ahead and start leaning out for the new year lol
I feel like 12 weeks would be a disappointment. I’ll definitely hold off on the anavar for now and just let the testosterone do its magic.
Just out of curiosity, given the fact you have never EVER run anabolic steroids before or even know the incredible results they will give you on your first run - why do you think running your Testosterone levels for 12 weeks at a rate 10 times higher than what your normal testosterone would be result in a disappointment?
Just going from what I’ve been reading for months. I guess I can always reconsider when I get to 12 weeks. But it seems like the new norm is 16-20 weeks for a first cycle. As I’ve said in another reply. I got most of my education from Reddit and the steroids wiki there so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt. Clearly I’m inexperienced lol
I've always looked at 14 to 16 weeks as being ideal for a first cycle, 20 weeks (being 5 months) just seems too long when its your first time injecting and trying to monitor yourself. Plus thats quite a shock to the system when trying to fully recover your endocrine system. The first cycle is about making gains yes, but also learning about how to monitor and conduct the cycle more than anything.
I would agree to a degree if he had never used gear at all but this guy is on TRT and for some one wanting to do there first proper cycle from being on TRT this looks like a good first cycle to me
Health issues isn’t a minor issue, 6 extra weeks isn’t as little as you believe, you also risk your HCT increasing and needing to donate, do you have any blood work with your health markers?
I do, I posted them on here. I also just donated blood yesterday. Constantly checking my blood pressure as well. I am trying to reduce harm as much as possible but just with my research (no actual experience) I feel like 12 weeks would be a disappointing first blast.
Your blood work lacks a lipid panel and liver enzymes, make sure to get those checked just to be on the safe side. Try drinking more water and do cardio, you can supplement with some naringin because your HCT will probably be even more elevated at 500mg. 12 weeks in my opinion doesn’t disappoint for a first timer running 500mg, sure you’ll see results but it all depends on your training and diet.
Yea I’ve definitely upped the water intake. A lot of people said my hematocrit was elevated due to not drinking water. My hemoglobin and rbc was in range. My hemoglobin was 16 on 200mg and yesterday when I donated blood it was 16.7. (I’ve been at 500mg for two weeks now)
I read somewhere you can typically multiply that by 3 and get your hematocrit even though judging from my labs 16x3 isn’t 54 which is what my hematocrit was
I also read in the national library of medicine that 40-54 is a normal hematocrit for an adult male. Even though my labs range was 40-50