posted Sun, 03/24/2024 - 11:27
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+ 15 Kits4Less igf-1 score
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Supreme Batch A.
3IU AM and 3IU PM for 6IU total.
I was only on it for 19 days before checking, so maybe that did something? Only on 150mg/week of test cyp right now with it.
I’ll get it checked again once I finish the box. Took quest 10 damn days to post this. Sorry for the long ass wait.
EDIT for full transparency:
I do have my own theory. My AST/ALT have not fully recovered from my previous cycle and they’re still sitting at like 80 each. I was trying out a new supplement instead of my TUDCA/NAC/Milk thistle (and it clearly didn’t work). I’m thinking since my liver is still in a stressed state/recovery mode it wasn’t able to fully do its thing for igf. I bet this is reflected on my retest after going back to my standard liver protocol.
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Right, I agree with you bro. Lower estrogen affects IGF-1 levels, but just running mast doesn’t mean you have low or tanked E2. I was on 600mg mast and my E2 was 58 on those bloods I posted
I agree running masteron isn't necessarily going to tank your estro.
I see what your saying but...you weren't tanked but it would of tanked others like myself. See lol we all are different but I follow you though. Hell primo ruined me at low dosage.
That's why I always said it's not a one shoe size fitting approach lol
100 DeeMan. Mast doesn’t lower my E2, just keeps me from having high E2 sides. Primo on the other hand, forget about it. My E2 was <4 running primo with several other very aromatizing compounds. Yup yup, you gotta dial in your own body around here bro
100 percent. You said it
Makwa…..
The HPLC testing method performed by the lab you used shouldn't have any interference with DHT's. That was more of an issue with older testing methods like ICMA. Kind of moot point now since since this is what is mostly used now, at least in the US. Lot of sources which had bad IGF scores on their HGH were hanging there hat on using DHT's during cycle as the reason why they scored bad. Basically bullshit. I have talked to some HGH gurus about this and they have indicated it could have a little effect but is nothing that anyone would have to worry about,.
I’ve never heard it stipulated that all DHT derivatives in and of themselves could negatively impact IGF, although I certainly don’t disbelieve that people have said that.
Anything that lowers estrogen will absolutely lower IGF-1 though. You want E2 as high as possible to get the most out of your somatropes in general. (Within reason of course, pushing to the point of side effects like gyno is never a good idea)
Masteron for example has the potential to lower E2. This lowering of E2 would typically result in less net IGF-1.
So it’s not because it’s a DHT derivative that it can impact IGF-1, it just so happens that 2 very popular DHT derivatives have the potential to lower estrogen values, which impacts IGF-1 down stream.
Those are facts. Let me be clear...not all dht derivatives. When I mentioned dht derivatives I meant primo and mast only.
@23Sparta what he's saying is every dht derivative doesn't lower IGF the same. The focus is primo and mast. Again everyone is different. Might tank some and might not tank others. Either way both primo and mast should affect IGF score to some degree.
Absolutely agree with you 100. You said it perfectly, not because it’s a DHT derivative but because it has the potential to lower estrogen. If your E2 is top of the range or a little outside, or where ever your own personal high sweet spot is, you should be good regardless of running a DHT
I saw that but I agree with @Kits4lessdomestic...it comes down to primo and masteron. Like I said it's just different opinions that's all. It would be hard for me to believe a compound that lowers estro wouldn't affect IGF. Just my opinion.
Absolutely his high use of masteron could skew things a bunch aswell! Just goes to show how many factors are at play.
He did say in the podcast he has never score above 300 though, I assume he’s ran cycles without masteron. (I could absolutely be wrong here, I don’t follow his videos religiously)
I honestly appreciate this result, because it shows the bell curve of human physiology.
We had one customer who posted bloodwork who was clearly a hyper responder, 518 IGF on 3-4 iu per day. I wouldn’t want people seeing that and think it’s the norm.
I also wouldn’t want people seeing this result and thinking it’s the norm either, it is certainly way below what’s average or “expected”.
I hope that we can at least have a few dozen igf results total in the next 2-3 months. We are working on adding an entire sub section on our website dedicated to posting people’s results.
For sure, I follow you. When I see results like this I might of expected better score but I don't totally jump the gun because there are a few factors involved like you mentioned. And I don't follow that guy but all I hear him talk about is lots of masteron lol
And yes some folks are hyper responders but that doesn't apply to everyone so not the norm, so good point.
I may be wrong, but I think I remember a discussion where someone had shit GH test results because they were running dht derivatives that had something to do with it but @Makwa said it was the tamoxifen and the dht wouldn’t have any effect….i may be wrong though
Masteron and primobolan in particular are known to put downward pressure on estrogen values. Estrogen values play a key role in IGF-1 metabolism.
I’ve heard some people claim other DHT derivatives also have this effect, but I’ve never seen it in practice.
Yea usually those 2 only more than other dht derivatives. Other dht derivatives probably aren't an issue.
Yea I remember that. The thing is both Ai or anti estrogens will lower estrogen and that in itself will affect IGF. I think dht derivatives can lower slightly also. Makwa just doesn't believe Dht derivatives will lower IGF score that's all. Different opinions
Dht derivatives as in mast and primo only. Clarify my comment above.
Ok thanks. I don’t want to misquote anyone but I was almost positive I just read over that discussion last week I think.
Yea I remember that discussion and you remember it 100% right. You're good man.
Does this mean id have better score if i stop running masteron at the sametime taking hgh. Or the
Results would be better with hgh&mast but the test numbers just lower
Well that's a bummer. I have 3 more kits on the way. Lol. Have you done an igf-1 test before on gh?
Damn this bummed me out smh
Its always a gamble
I think there has been enough evidence produced to say these numbers could be subjective to a lot of different variables
I'm sure it will motivate more people to get tested.
This for sure, I’m hoping to get a test ran in the next couple weeks. My liver markers are in great normal range and I’m running no ai’s just a low dose of mast p.
I wouldn't break out the pitchfork yet. Maybe just sharpen it up. Lol
I have 6 deluxe C in my fridge
See my response above on my theory and tell me what you think
@SeeOhShow
Were you the one that said the discs in the Deluxe C were bigger??? Could you imagine if some mope at the factory stamped the wrong names on the boxes? I’d be eager to hear how those test out because the disc being smaller in the Supreme just didn’t make any sense to me, and neither did the sources explanation. If I’m right, you’re sitting on six boxes of powdered gold over there.
That was me. The discs in the Standard F were bigger than the Supreme A.
I know I have an over complicated response about the pucks a few weeks back, but a more simple way to put it is that if there were ONLY HGH in the vial, and no excipients/fillers (ie mainly mannitol), you would literally think the vial is completely empty. If there was 50 IU in a vial the puck would still look pretty much the same haha.
TOTALLY understand that can be hard to wrap your head around though! I had no idea that was possible either before I got into this business and learned a lot more about the manufacturing process.
I’m hoping you’re correct because you seem to be an honest, affordable, and reliable source. It would be a shame if things didn’t pan out correctly
No that wasn’t me.
I just did some reading. It does appear that liver issues can cause lower igf-1 levels, seeing as gh stimulates the liver to produce igf-1. Hopefully you can get your liver values better for your health's sake. What did you take that elevated your liver values? I plan on doing an igf-1 test in a month or so. I'll be starting the Supreme A Wednesday. I did see igf-1 tests of Kits GH on another forum and they were good. That's why I bought more kits. I got 3 of the Deluxe C.
Yes any disorder or issues to liver will affect IGF score. Yep live and learn. Looking forward to your testing results
Me too.
Yes I myself did 4.5 weeks of anadrol at 50mg that ended Jan18 and my bloods from last week had me at around 30 on both.
Dbol. I’m not concerned about it health wise. I’ve ran tbol before and they never budged using the standard TUDCA/NAC/milk thistle. I was just being stupid trying to run some cheaper “liver defend” supplement that had not enough mg of the important things clearly. Lesson learned no biggie. I won’t stray from what is proven to work next time.
Live and learn. That's the way I do it. Lol
I could be wrong but 19 days is not enough to fully saturate igf levels to get this test on. I think you need to be on atleast 6 weeks. I tested only serum and it was 42 I think after using 10ius 3 hours before.
Post the bloods then
I'm waiting
He already posted them a while ago and we all told him that some peptides can shoot up GH serum but do fuck all to igf levels, and that igf tests are the true indicator. He did it as a photo in the source thread I think, so hard to sift through and find it.
I like to see 4 or 5 but 3 weeks should of been ok timeframe in my opinion.
You used 10IU how many days before testing?
I went “clean” two days before testing. So Saturday morning I used 10ius to get my GH serum test.
anvilHe said he was using another kind right up to this one, so he went right to 6iu on this one.
So what range were you looking for?
Biggerbytheday32Gonna test for the community once I get my kit in
anvilAppreciate you, 19 days and using another previously should be fine for test. Disappointing to say the least. Especially since this source is testing 2 of every batch. I am sure in time we will get some more peoples bloods to see if this is the trend. Thanks again.
As of recently, 4-8 samples in each batch! And we hope to continue to increase that number haha!
anvilCopy that !
Wow, Bro, that score is garbage at 6iu per day. You shouldn’t have to switch to IM to get a better score than that. Hey, at least it’s real right?? I think the source should send you at least three more boxes for free, because I would bet they are just standard 100iu kits, because your test score would make more sense at 1-2iu per day.