Should I run another Cycle? Need some Help
Male
27 yo
6,2
190lbs
23% BF
First Cycle was:
250mg/week Test Cyp
.5mg adex/week
20-40mcgs Clen/day (this was only 3 months mid year)
Ran for a year as directed by my ex-coach. Wised up and got off when I started experiencing side affects. Been about 4 months now, wanted to make sure my endo wasn't crashed which looks like I'm all good based on labs, also started my family! Wife is pregnant and all doctors visits have shown great promise of a healthy baby! Super excited for this next chapter of our lives.
With that said, I'm wanting to run another cycle and have been doing some research. Test Cyp at 250 was great imo. I got a little crazy and upped my adex to 1mg/week mid way through the year because I was getting a little chest fat. From the research I've done, doesn't sound like it was gyno just fat from calorie surplus and cheat meals. Then talked to my buddy who stressed the importance of not crashing my estro so backed off adex and brought it back down to .25mg/week in fear of crashing my estro. Side affects were mild till the end. I started getting crazy anxiety and heart palpitations during these panic attacks. I feel so much better now that I'm off cycle and haven't experienced anything close since.
Heres my labs I had done the week of my last pin:
Testosterone: >1500 ng/dL
Free Testosterone: 39.9 pg/mL
Prolactin: 9.7 ng/mL
Estradiol: 8.6 pg/mL
Blood Panel looked good and thyroid panel looked good too.
I just scheduled my labs before writing this so will update as soon as I get results (week or 2 maybe). What I'm thinking for the next cycle is:
Week 1-14 Test Cyp 250mg/week (Split into 2 pins per week)
Week 4-14 Mast 300mg/week (Split into 2 pins per week)
Week 6-14 Var 50mg/day (Split into twice a day)
Week 4-14 Adex .5mg/week (.25 taken day after each pin)
Also considering running HCG for the whole 14 weeks to keep endo operating and minimize teste shrinkage. Was originally recommended to do 750mg test cyp per week but I don't think I want to go that high for my second cycle ever lol Nutrition is dialed in and training is consistent.
Any advise or recommendations appreciated! Much love <3
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Weren't you the guy telling other guys how to run gear in your old deleted post? Why'd you take your pics down? Been wondering where mikehawkjuices went since it happened
definitely not me lol and Idk why my pic got taken down. Haven't been on in a while since I decided to get off the test. I can upload my pic again if that does anything for you. Also this is only my second post. pretty sure the other one is still up and relates to this one a bit. Definitely a newbie and would never tell someone what to do. Ill share my own experiences though in hopes that others can learn from them.
Yeah for sure. I seen your other post of your pics. Dude you don't need test,mast,var,arimidex. You need to go into the gym and lift heavy weights. Make it hard. It will in turn make you hard. I can't say precisely you were telling others what to do but I believe your last post was off the walls ridiculous with the cycle you ran or something. Pictures speak a thousand words. You don't need gear and if you do you should do maybe 100-150 mgs of test cyp broke into two shots. Your lifting is evidently lacking BADLY. I don't know about your diet. Dude fuck doing steroids. Your nowhere near what you can/could be. Steroids won't do it
Appreciate the feed back! Yeah my first post a few months back gave me so much clarity. I truly had no idea what I was doing and how it was hurting me. Ill upload another post soon with current meal plan and training regimen. See if you guys have any suggestions on where I can improve. Thanks again!
I would cut the cycle a little shorter, and up all the dosages. Instead of 14 weeks of test run it for 11/12 and run it at 350ish mg a week. Cut the mast to 7/8 weeks and up the dosage to 400mg per week. If you're using mast prop, I think every other day injections are better, so they say. That's what I do. Cut the var from 8 weeks to 5 or 6 and up the dosage to 75mg. I'd run the var in the begining. First 6 weeks.
This is just what I would do personally. Not saying it'd be better than your plan. Just throwing it out there.
If you suffer from anxiety and panic buddy I would not go up to 750mg Test as the extra test will give you more mental energy to worry over things, it can make it harder to sleep and relax too. Be careful with the Masteron also as it can have a slight edgy feel to it at times till you get use to it. Looking at what you propose to run there I would leave out the Masteron and increase the Test to maybe 400mg, definitely not 750 though.
I’ve never crashed my estro before but can’t those mental side effects also be signs of super low estro? He was only on 250 test, I mean it was a low dose of Ai but still that’s a low dose of test to even need an Ai, I know some guys do need it but seemed he just took it just to take it.
It could be down to that buddy, but I have never experienced crashed estro myself so can't speak from experience on that cause. The way I have always viewed things is if a member says they experienced Anxiety or panic on a steroid cycle - then it is more than likely that they experience these things in life in general, whether to a small or greater degree. Your mind and adrenal system is either prone to those things/triggers or it isn't - some people just do not experience anxiety or worry at all in their lives and its no different when they are on cycle it seems. Can be down down to all kinds of things such as distorted thought processes, over active thyroid gland, bad upbringing and past learnt experiences. Can go the other way though - the confidence and happiness that cycling steroids brings can get totally rid of all those negative feelings and thought processes
Yeah after more research the increased anxiety and panic attacks def could have been from crashed estro. Honestly it was my first cycle and was taking it all under the direction of my ex-coach. I also have a friend who was on the same TRT protocol so didn't think anything of it at the time. Then one of my closer friends told me he was also on 250mg test w/ no AI. That's when I started questioning my coach and he couldn't really give me an explanation so I stopped working with him and dropped my AI doses by half. When i do another cycle I want to leave AI out but there is a little fear because some of these gyno stories I've heard are gnarly.
Honestly think you’ve started running gear prematurely before building a base first. At your height, 190lbs at 23% BF isn’t a condition I’d suggest anybody running steroids in. Not saying you won’t get any results, but if you spend a bit of time dropping that BF to 12-15% and training naturally, you’d gain more in the long run and hold onto it better when you revisit steroids.
This is exactly why I wanted to post before starting anything. The juicer in me wants to start up again so bad because I felt great on test but the responsible bodybuilder in me is agreeing with you. Now I'm starting to think you guys are right. Maybe I should stay natty for another year or two and try getting that BF down. The other thing is I have 3 bottles of 250mg test Cyp from my last re up. will it hold for 2-3 years or ???
anvilDoes it have an expire date on it? I have had gear stored properly last 3-4 years no issues. You might not have to wait that long honestly you could get the BF down in 6-8 months.
it does have an expire date of 12 months from when I bought it. After some research I found mixed things about the expiration of gear. Some say to follow expiration dates if provided and others say between 3-5 years if stored properly and unopened. one of the bottles is opened and pinned once so I could test the gear and make sure its legit. I don't use any gear with out testing it. results came back positive and quantitative value was accurate so hoping I can hold on to it for next cycle.
Really? a 10% BF decrease in 6-8 months? with no gear? maybe I'm still a little new but I haven't heard of that kind of recoup yet lol guess I also am afraid of losing any gains I made in the last 2 years. My ex-coach was a big advocate of the whole "don't be afraid to get a little fat in order to put on muscle mass". Then he would turn around and say be careful bro the more fat you put on the harder your cut will be. Like come one bro pick a side lol needless to say I'm not working with him any more.
Yeah id agree 750 is high for second cycle. To me atleast.
anvilSo stats are 6.2 190 which means you have 40ish lbs of fat at that low of a weight. Diet cannot be dialed in, you need to figure that out first.
Test dosage looks good. Why 300 mast?
8 weeks of var will kill your lipids and again at that high of bodyfat not reason to run that much. Maybe 10-25 for 4-5 weeks if you must use it.
3 months of clen no doubt was giving the heart issues.
Adex should be used as needed based on bloodwork not a date during this cycle. If your estro is in range you don't need it. Hope this helps.
I guess what I mean by "nutrition dialed in" is: I started my cut at 219 lbs 4 months ago and was sitting at 27% BF so I feel like I've been on the right track but if you feel otherwise I'm open to listening. I'm here to learn. What should it look like at 190lbs? closer to 15% BF?
Macros are as follows:
3,000 Cal
250g Carbs
75g Fat
250g Protein
Most if not all nutrients come from eggs, chicken, beef, rice, quinoa, and oatmeal, vegetables, fruits, almond milk. (allergic to whole milk)
Not going to lie, 300 mast is just what I was told by a friend who has run many cycles so kind of just trusting he knows what he's talking about. the above cycle is what he recommended except he said 750 test. wanted to get a second opinion or more before I commit to anything. Learned my lesson with my last cycle. Don't just do it because someone more successful than you said its fine lol as for Var I've only heard good things and when i asked him about a test and var only cycle he said it would not give me very good results and thats when he suggested adding mast too. I'm open to just mast and test as this is only my second cycle. I put a start date on my adex because of a thread I read from @Makwa about how he didnt use it and woke up with firey nipps. Ive always been sensitive in that area and want no chance of that happening so decided to go with his recommendation of 4 weeks in. Heres the forum: https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-cycle-when-to...
Thanks for your 2 cents!
anvilYeah 15% is much closer number to where you want to get too. That's just to me, even on bulks I never pass 15% then try to cut to 10-11% with more size then rinse and repeat. Makwa knows far more than I, I am just a gym guy he has competed so take his words far above mine. But if you do bloods 4 weeks in a see estro out of range then you know you need AI instead of guess. Also that is an 8 year old post so you might wanna see if that's the most updated info from him.