posted Wed, 10/05/2022 - 09:07
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I'm about to turn 52 and still lift some what heavy. Ive started to lower the amount of weight I lift simply due to having pain in areas I didn't even know existed, haha. I brought my deadlifts down from 585 to 405 LBS and my bench press down from 405 LBS to 315LBS. My question is, When is enough enough? At what age should I pack it up and start realizing I should start doing light weight and higher reps? My main issue is, the mind still says push but the body says "hey stupid, slow it down". I probably answered my own question, but would like input from some of you older, I mean seasoned guys.
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Try and take Paracetamol if it works on you mate, its so much safer and healthier for internal organs than NSAID's. I made the switch 3 months ago now and it even showed in my bloodwork.
Deca does wonders for my joints, but it messes with my dick too much.
RustyhookerHave you run bloods on deca for e2 and prolactin?
no, I have never checked for e2 or prolactin. I'm not sure what e2 is.
RustyhookerEstrogen and prolactin. Both xan mess with your pecker if not kept in range.
Thanks! Now that you mentioned it, I'll do some more research on the subject.
RustyhookerExcellent! Click on anyones avatat/name and you go to their page where the firums etc are located. Ive got a few good reads posted
I'll definitely check them out
AnonNo, never have. But I keep the Deca to 300mg a month now. Back in the day 300-500 was a weekly dose, and I’m sure my numbers were way out of whack. My knowledge of gear is pretty limited to testosterone and its effects on estrogen.
I think you would still be okay on 300mg/wk with the 300 to 400mg Test as long as your BP is okay mate, you would get a lot more out of it for your joints and strength than 300mg per month. Thats only 75mg/wk which I cannot imagine is really doing anything.
AnonI could probably safely use more, but the jury is still out on D and the weakening of the left ventricle of the heart, and may be dose related. D also stays in the system for a crazy long time. You can test positive for the stuff a year or more longer after you last use it, not that I have to worry about WADA.
Yes I remember coming across a study that did say that Nandrolone somehow weakened the left ventricle. That always stuck with me. I hope it was a bogus flawed study.
AnonI hope it’s bogus, too, because there’s a couple studies out there, but I believe they were done on mice. Don’t know how applicable that is to us humans.
Is this something that Deca allegedly causes or a problem you are dealing with? You could use NPP which does actually feel a lot nicer to use than Deca, doesn't feel as harsh and gives the same benefits.
AnonSo far as I know my heart is good, but I think there’s been a couple animal studies saying Deca can cause atrophy of the left ventricle. I still like it though.
All AAS induce Left Ventricle Hypertrophy unfortunately with lots of data linking nandrolone to heart more than other AAS. Search on pubmed.com.
AnonYeah, you’re right. What’s your research tell you about T? I’m hoping it’s the least harmful because I don’t want to live without it.
The damage to the heart is dose dependent and heavily reliant on lifestyle and genetic factors. A replacement dose of testosterone should have negligible impacts on cardiac health. Larger doses of AAS with bad genetics and lifestyle will lead to the worst outcomes.
AnonThanks for the insights. I had a feeling (and a hope) that T wouldn’t be as potentially harmful as other AAS, especially the orals, and that dosage would also play a big role. Good point about life style, too. Good news is that we can control at least a couple of these things.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYeah heart is more of long term thing, I see more kidney and liver damage from AAS than heart. But most do not get imaging done and blood tests only show partial picture.
Heart damage comes from years of running gear recklessly usually. Guys that run orals year around and tank their HDL and have high LDL. Unfavorable lipid profiles while still eating McDonalds and justifying it as a "need for calories". Plaque build up and vascular inflammation from shit diets. Add in increased Erythropoiesis from almost all AAS and now you have extra thick blood making the heart pump harder in anabolic environment (growing disproportionately). Most AAS users are also hypertensive from stimulation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAA) system. Many AAS users do little or no cardio which actually weakens the heart over time as it struggles to pump the thick blood through restricted and inflamed blood vassals. Also bodyweight is a huge factor, and how long you stay above your or at our bodies peak mass (some bodybuilders do this for decades).
So yes many things you can control, do real cardio (elevate the heart rate high), eat very limited cheat meals when on blasts (due to unfavorable lipid profiles and likelihood of plaque buildup), monitor blood pressure and modulate when necessary and give your body time off of androgens each year.
cheers man hope this gave some insight
AnonGreat stuff. I'm guilty of some of the "unfavorables", especially when I was younger, but now I watch my diet (yeah, right, but most of the time it's a "yeah"), do more cardio, eat a shitload of oatmeal, take fish oil by the handful (and TUDCA for the liver; great stuff), keep an eye on my BP, do bloodwork four times a year, give blood regularly, low dose Cialis and some OTC vasodilators, and keep my fingers crossed. We gotta go of something, and the clock is ticking on all of us. Thanks for the advice. And the reminder to not go crazy with gear.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkyou seem to be in a great spot mate, very ware and monitoring everything I mentioned, expected from a vet like you, cheers
I think with Heart problems also people never really know that there is a problem till its too late - They either have a Stroke or worse a Heart attack and then its all over. The only real warning signs beforehand are chest pains but if the person puts that down to heartburn and things like that then the next thing that happens is the worst. With Liver comes the warning signs of extreme stomach pain, loss of appetite and nausea/dark urine, and with kidneys comes foamy urine, dark smelly piss and bloody urine. They tend to be more reflected in bloods too than heart does. See there ya go pal - I've taught you something today LMFAO
AnonYeah, and your lesson is a great one. Thankfully, at least so far (turning 65 next month), I don't have any of those ugly symptoms you mentioned. But I'm keeping my dose of T to 350mg a week, which for me seems about right without triggering a bunch of other old man issues like BPH. Occasionally, when I'm testing new gear, I go high to see if the symptoms kick in, so I know I have decent gear, like I did when I switched to Ultima.
Hey Buddy!
I'm just pulling his leg - he knows 50 times as much as most of us on here about biological and AAS related science stuff. Ya have to talk down to him once in a while to keep him humble Lmao
lololol im alright, good to keep me humble though
Sounds like solid advice
AnonIt does me too but I’m good if I up the T. But then going too high with the T and then I have to take Nolva. Vicious circle.
For sure!
AnonJust looked it up. It’s acetaminophen here in the states. Yeah, it’s supposed to be easier on the liver, and I’ve tried it but it doesn’t seem to work as well.
NSAID's are harsh on the Kidneys mainly buddy, I do agree they relieve pain better as they also reduce inflammation where as the acetaminophen just blocks the pain. Just if its something you take regularly thats all.
AnonYeah, you’re right. I like the anti-inflammatory effects, but it can be hard on the kidneys. Appreciate the reminder not to overuse it.
AnonNever heard of it. Is it OTC?
Yes sorry you guys call it Acetaminophen I think? I am UK lol
AnonYeah, that’s what it’s called. Thanks brother.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAs far as injuries go I've only had minor aches and pains
RustyhookerHot pads or hot pack...sauna...heat helps increase blood flow, wash out lactic, etc. Getting old sucks but it doesnt have to.
Press1 below suggested hgh. Get your igf1 blood rest at privatemdlab etc and see where youre at. Its been night n day change in sleep, recovery etc. My numbers were 67...bottom of range.
What is the igf1 number supposed to be at?
RustyhookerRange is by age.....off top of my head my age was 67-200. I was at 67. Low dose gh i have posted in my pix but again if memory serves...2iu had me well over 200.
Edit....2iu results and range....felt tons better as old dude
Have you found the increase in IGF-1 has really helped your tendons recover? Things like shoulders and Hamstring/glute tendons have always been slow to recover for me.
AnonBPC helped me with a chronic back injury. 80 percent better after 4 months of twice daily injections. I had a hard time believing it, but I honestly don’t think it was placebo effect or coincidence, since I was was also having deep tissue massages.
One of my favourite labs now makes the stuff so I think I will give it a go, I tried it a few years ago now after an RC partial tear but don't think it was proper stuff as it just use to burn and hurt when I pinned it!! In fact it was unbearable so I stopped lol.
AnonIt worth a shot. Getting the real stuff in the peptide market is tough, I agree, but if you find a good source please PM me. I got the real deal with usdomship but they went under.
They just disappeared
AnonYeah it was crazy.
RustyhookerI seem to feel less lactic buildup, soreness the next day with hgh on deck. If my shoulders are just wiped out i have to take a couple days off pushing upper body and get the rest. On trt without hgh instead of next day soreness it might go 2 days or 3. Just speedier on recovery. Feel like 25 for life. Im currently switching routine back to pushing towards my old numbers so i can update as i move along. Nors assist but can mask too do maybe im a lil overly cautious.
The most noticeable improvement has been REM sleep. Recovery sleep. Being a lil hyper, 3hours is normal sleep. With hgh i get 6 and wake feeling rested. Pushing hard on cycle im in bed by 1am but bout 4 get a snack and right back to sleep. Without hgh its 4am snack and play with dogs for an hour..maybe sleep 5-6am and wide awake not rested.
My God 3 hours sleep per night??! I can do that as a one off and feel so so and make up for it the next lol but every night thats brutal. Is it that you are physically not tired or because you find it hard to stay asleep? Thats the kind of thing that will cause you injuries too but if you have done it for years then I guess you are use to it. Think I would die after 2 weeks of that Lol
RustyhookerAdhd....so most of my life ive not needed much. But somewhere around 45 the good rem sleep went into the crapper. One of the members poked at me to get igf1 baselines complete and bets that was a real issue. Igf was tanked so jumped on promo and gave it a go. Seemed like inside of first week i slept like a rock. Figured just worn out but nope! Good sleep with vivid dreams. Tested igf1 and was up in a good daily use spot. Trt got me feeling great and the hgh boosted sleep and simple recovery.
Young folks though not so sure on pushing hgh towards them as theyre in good range. But older guys.....i feel lots better. I take short breaks off gh too. Bout 6 weeks and start losing sleep...back on. Currently 2iu mon-fri .
And yes i bet theres lots to say on injury or potential if youre not getting good REM and resetting the cns.
Have you ever tried running IGF-1 as opposed to HGH? If with HGH all we are mainly trying to do is increase IGF-1 then wouldn't running that peptide be much easier and cheaper? I have no idea on this subject lol @HanginLow
Your logic is right mate but real IGF1 is super difficult to source, Increlex is the pharma name, its a myth in the bodybuilding world. There is a source on here that might have some real IGF1 but that really should be like the very very last thing you add as a maxed out competitor. Gear/Slin/GH all maxed before adding IGF1, also the organ growth of using it worries me the studies on acromegalia patients with extremely high serum IGF1s are very concerning.