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Liver tox 3 times what it’s spose to me
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My liver numbers are 3 times what there spose to be how to fix it.
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My liver numbers are 3 times what there spose to be how to fix it.
Don’t drink obviously, don’t eat fatty foods, don’t smoke, do regular exercise, minimise any medications, and take NAC- cheap and effective
Eat fruit and veg. Eat less meat. Increase water intake.
Sleep better- sit up slightly if it helps.
Don’t do oral steroids.
Don’t assume you will get immediate results so stay chilled and allow it time to work.
Good luck mate.
Solo sleep apnea can also be harsh on the liver. Do you get good quality sleep?
Diet and nutrition.
Up your water intake, drinking plenty throughout the whole day, water in its own, not mixed with supplemental powders like pre workouts, bcaas or creatines.
Increase you fruits and vegetables especially super greens.
Digestive enzymes and fibre.
Tudca, milk thistle, nac, apple cider vinegar, tumeric, curcumin.
Think anti oxidants, its caused by oxidative stress one of our biggest enemies.
Start blending up a shake to drink at breakfast, grab what ever fresh green veggies you want like kale, spinach, brussel sprouts and chuck in blender, peel and core 2 green apples, add a good sized beetroot a teaspoon of metamucil, tumeric powder and apple cider vinegar aswell as your digestive enzyme powder and mix in water so it blends to your drinking consistency, drink that shit each morning and use it to take your liver supps like your milk thistle, nac etc etc.
Alongside your daily multivitamin take some extra vitamin c and vitamin e tabs.
Dont drink alcohol, take drugs or smoke and that means prescription meds.
Cut out the shit in your diet and replace with healthy nutritious foods lean proteins with lots of fresh fruits and veg and lots of water.
And most importatantly chose and run better cycles, stacking two orals isnt required and sounds like your up to ya knees in oil.
Keep it simpler and utilise less drugs more efficiently by diet.
You have flogged the fuck outta your liver which is actually suprisingly hard, means your poisoning yourself and your body is toxic.
Do you think your gaining and growing at full potential in that state?
No.
Winstrol and tbol? Why? I see no synery or benefit in that combo.
I stack some orals sometimes, combos that work together and make sense winny with tbol together looks and sound just shit.
Toxic
Test suspension
Tren
Toxic.
I look at your cycle and see so many different and better ways with better results and less toxic sides.
Fuck off the orals completley.
Theres a drug called drostolone imo no need for anything like winny and shit once you utilise it.
Enanthate for length and propianate for kickers or tapers.
Its really hardens up the muscles and gives superior definition and vascularity much better than shit like winny.
If someone isnt competing test, tren, mast cycles should be top shelf hardcore cycle thats a big advanced cycle and there is no need for anything else what so ever.
Everything we need and want is there.
Your just greedy and now suffering from it.
Ps- liver damage is permanent.
That " self regenerating " is the same as when we cut or injure ourselves, it heals but leaves a scar.
So you have scarring of the liver.
Again like to thank all of you for more knowledge. My liver levels I’m guessing are going down not as much pain. So guessing doubling my liver pills are working. Or my icy stopped being a pussy and manned up lol. I appreciate all the good info. I dk if my body is ment to run orals along with oils. I think I may just have to get all oil forum for now on. I love orals cause the effect I was getting with my tren but damn.
Thanks everyone for the good advice I thought milk thistle and fish oil and liv52 and my Ai was good enough guess not. To be honest never thought about tuc ty all
What time of day does everyone take their tudca?
Mine tends to be in the evening, it's supposed to be at least 1 hour apart from any orals you take so it doesn't lower the effectiveness of them
I normally take mine with my lunch . I also make sure I don’t take it within a few hours of my orals.
AnonSupposed to be.
There, I said it. Sorry..it was killing me.
They're supposed to be.
You're sposed to catch that too.
Its spelled "post to be" in ebonics lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPxVSCfoYnU
AnonLmao this reminds me of the mad tv or SNL skit where the substitute teacher is reading the class names off and getting pissed when kids correct his pronunciation... D-nice!? .......Um Denise?
Haha!
lol thank you.
AnonI couldn't sleep. It was bothering me. Lmao
Yeah like everyone else said Tudca is the best from what I've seen from my own blood work and friends. Lots of water as well
Since I've started using it I've never once had any issues even on the lower end of 300mg a day! It brought down my BP also.
Thank goodness, I have enough for 500mg a day for my cycle, I thought I was going to have to drop another $120. I take 1200 mg of NAC as well, orals or no orals for liver and general health. One that has not been mentioned in the post yet is alpha lipoic acid, which I take at 300 mg in the morning, and if I workout, 400 mg of the Na-R-ALA variety, to help push nutrients into my muscles as well as liver health. I use milk thistle also. A while back I recommend it a couple of my friends who were alcoholics, and they felt a lot better and one said his liver stopped hurting. All this seems to keep me in check. Had one enzyme high, but I think it was from leg workout the day before like BJ said.
TUDCA and alcohol have negative interaction so it can cause more liver damage taking the 2 together (alcohol in system) than drinking alone. Best thing to do it quit alcohol and then blast tudca when recovering
First I heard of that but is great info I can tell people about.
To those guys I gave them milk thistle. I didn’t know about TUDCA back then. But I’m glad you told me that because I took some last night and had some beer. Won’t be doing that again.
Good shout mate. It’s one of the best supplements or medicines in our arsenal but like most things you need to respect it. All my research has lead me to believe you shouldn’t run it year round. Only when using orals, also apparently the timing is important also but I can’t find the study which I found that but of information on.
UDCA (TUDCA without the taurine added to it) was discovered in black bear bile used in Chinese medicine, they keep bears in cages and drain their stomach bile, force feeding them to keep them alive. Barbaric doesn’t even cover it. We use synthetic UDCA fortunately.
Thanks for the knowledge. I am getting ready to go on cycle and was giving my liver a tuneup. Have a little procedure on the 24th so I’m beginning to prepare myself for after that. Think I’ll hold off on the TUDCA till a couple days before I start and just stick with ala milk thistle NAC and a fair amount of fluids up till then
Worth read up on it yourself but that was the conclusion I made on it. NAC is also a wonder drug.
I used to take LIV52DS years ago, fuck knows if they actually do anything as I’ve honestly never seen bloods on them.
Yes, I took the liv52 from Amazon, which looks different and costs more than the original on my last cycle. But like you, I don’t know if it did dick. Looking at the ingredients, it just looked like a bunch of herbs in small amounts that I was unfamiliar with, but in reviews people really talk it up. I think I’ll skip it this time.
I appreciate all the info guys
It’s cool. You sparked a good debate about something that affects us all to the benefit of everyone. I learned something.
Thats awesome ! It's has so many benefits for heart, liver and brain I think it's definitely worth the money, even at a low dose when off orals.
I pay £25 for 2 months supply which is only £12.50 a month. Thing is if your liver isn't processing proteins, carbs, fats properly because its impaired by orals then you aren't getting anywhere near the results you could be!
Frankly even if you aren’t using orals, the amount of food we put away on a regular basis is stress enough for our livers.
Remember how they make pâté? Force feed a bird until they get such a bad fatty liver you can spread it on toast.
TUDCA is the way to go for sure
Heavy training will elevate level enzymes for a few days after training.
Yep... I always take a few days off from training before I go in and do bloodwork
AnonThat and high protein diets!
OMG Is that really how they do it??! I knew there must be a reason why I don't like that stuff Lol Actually its more knowing what it is than the taste of it - women seem to love it though lol
glutathione injections are very good too.
I’ve heard a lot of good things about glutathione except it’s oral bioavailability sucks. Have you ever tried powder or liposomal versions with any luck? I was trying the powder 3x a day and to hold it sublingually but i couldn’t keep up with it due to the taste
I've done Glutathione Liposomal but I am unsure on how well it worked. I was using it in conjunction with TUDCA and Milk Thistle. I was doing Superdrol so I wanted all the support I could get. I know the injections work very well.
Flush
Then supplement with (containing high dose silymarin) milk thistle
I did bloods on silymarin before, it really works
Tudca is your best bet besides a doctor, Unfortunately to get benefits from Tudca you need to take about 1000mg a day no less. It makes it very expensive. Also most of the studies showed it takes a week to show small signs of improvement and full benefits in 6 months. So thats using it every day @1000mg for 6 months
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4030606/
It’s happened to me also! I cut out the orals, started taking more liver care more than before, and took four or five days off of training. It helped lower it faster when I stopped training high intensity. I’ve tried it both ways.. Unfortunately taking days off from the gym on the same protocol lowers it faster for myself. I’ve even learned taking four days off from training, before going into give return bloodwork gives me a more lower range. Trial & error!!!!!
P.S.
For liver care. I like what the fellas above recommended earlier, but also “SAMe“ included in the supplementation.
Yea, I forgot all about SAMe’s liver benefits. I’ve taken it before for my joints but didn’t notice much. But from what I remember some people have to take a lot so it can get a little pricey. Supposed to be good for mental health as well I think. In some countries I think I used to be considered a drug
StupidTwat69I use milk thistle while on orals pal seems to help
Are you doing orals? What other compounds are you running?
Yeah been running winny and tbol. With test prop tren and test suspension pre work out. Yeah I know all liver toxic. Just usually I can keep this in check. This time I guess not
Stop the orals straight away and get on the TUDCA from amazon or ebay. You can also add NAC & choline if you wish but the Tudca really does do a good job. Be aware that Liver numbers will always be outside of the normal range when cycling orals and do return to normal when you come off them. My values were massively elevated after being on tren and Dbol for too long a year ago with no protection, in fact my liver was hurting badly but after 6 weeks of coming off they completely returned to normal. The Liver is a very good organ at healing itself if you just give it space to breathe :-)
This would be my exact advice also. I run TUDCA and NAC with every cycle now. I think you will notice a difference in the way you feel in a matter of a few day. It’s expensive but worth every penny.
Ty
Idk. Stop doing whatever you're doing that's causing it.