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+ 61 HCG 101. Why, How and Protocols. All your questions answered

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HCG 101. Why, How and Protocols. All your questions answered.

This is intended only for people who wish to use HCG.

It is not intended to be very technical, but moreso accessible and a guide to how to formuate a protocol for your subjective needs.

List of reasons people might consider using HCG:

  • Fertility reasons such as production of testicular testo used for maturation of sperm and therefore increasing spermcount - to improve testicular volume and function, - prevention of loss of fertility when engaging in TRT, - but also because HCG has an FSH-like activity that can increase spermcount in many individuals (unlike LH)
  • Prevention of testicular atrophy
  • Reversing testicular atrophy
  • Jumpstart testo production
  • To increase testo production in subclinical symptomatic low-normal testo individuals
  • As a part of PCT
  • Testosterone restart therapy post-TRT
  • Testosterone restart therapy for those suffering ASIH from being on AAS for years (this is where the original PCT developed from)
  • Recovery from an estrogen crash
  • As an alternative to AAS cycles - HCG plus GH/IGF is becoming popular as an alternative cycle. Seems to be TRT people experimenting from what I see. Currently I am personally planning a HCG plus deca cycle with no test. There are other possibilities and HCG alone is a viable option and perhaps a strong candidate for a beginners cycle. - NOTE:see edit below re: deca only+hcg - not advised
  • This is an anecdotal one; enhances TRT - You will read this regularly on eroids, and my own guess it that it is due to the difference between testo produced in the testes versus being injected, nature versus medicine or something like that, but thats a guess. This said, the anecdotal evidence is here on eroids and all over the TRT forums like peak testosterone and excel male etc.

First, this is how your HPT axis works


Your brain sends a hormone GnRH to a gland to release 2 hormones, LH and FSH, which tell the leydig cells to make testo and the sertoli cells to make spermies, respectively. When there is enough testo ( or bucket loads in the case of the AAS user) estrogen levels tell the brain to switch off the gnrh hormone used to switch the pituitary gland on. This is the negative feedback loop. But testo is also needed to mature the spermies, so all hormones (the cascade) are essential.

But, the picture is a little deeper.


The leydig cells make testo which hits the sertoli cells and helps mature spermies. In the sertoli cells, estrogen is aromatised which also grows up those spermies and interacts back with the leydig cells (and as above, is part of the negative feedback loop to the brain). Estrogen is an essential male hormone on many levels.

So, AAS users take TRT level or supraphysiological levels of testo or test derivatives which invokes the negative feedback loop shutting down the cascade leading to natural testosterone production, natural estrogen production in the testes, and sperm production. Testicles atrophy, meaning leydig cells and sertoli cells shrink. They can also die (to a lesser extent) leading to diminished natural testo/estrogen production off cycle, and infertility. Hypotrophy of leydig cells though, is a real consideration, because sometimes even if we reinflate them, they may not operate at 100% again, leading us down towards low-norm and eventually a need for TRT. But regardless, who the hell wants their nuts shrivelling up into their stomach area... horrific, especially uduing sex! Or, maybe you want kids in the future? Or, maybe you like the aesthetics?! Same is true for TRT patients. And then Fertility is an issue for many.

So, if you actually have one or more of those reasons, what to do?

Well the good news is that the pharmaco's of HCG have been studied in depth relatively recently again and are very clear with regard to how it can help us all. Various doses have been studied in depth to ascertain HCG's effects and the results are crystal clear making it simples to draw up a general protocol with little deviation needed for outliers. A best practice is to start at lowest dose and adjust, there really isnt much to do. Link below to pharmaco's.

Okay, what about the protocols.... ?

HCG is a hormone that has similar cascade effects to LH and also some similar effects to FSH too (double whammy for most, but not for all fertility patients).
Needs vary, so let's consider 3 core reasons to use it.

AAS users

On Cycle. Reasons above, so with regard to protocol and per the pharmaco's;
250 iu's 3x per week. Judge the reversal of testicular atrophy and adjust to 500 iu's 3x per week if needed.
Considerations: Manage the estrogen generated as normal. Do not let estrogen skyrocket or it will induce estro sides including ED and will also spike prolactin leading to anorgasmia compounding the ED. Do not commence at beginning of cycle unless very low test or no test at all. Judge atrophy/seminal fluid.
PCT. If HCG was used on cycle, then use same effective dose again up to 1 week maximum into PCT, and STRICTLY managing estrogen.
Recovery from Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonaism (ASIH). This is different from PCT and must be considered a restart therapy.
Use between 1500 - 2500 iu's 3x per week, for 3-6 weeks depending on response, managing estrogen. Bloods to prove testicular function. Clomid to switch on natural LH FSH at 6 days post last HCG shot (5x 28hour half life of hcg). Bloods to prove HP function.

TRT users:

TRT - Lowest effective dose, Start at: 250 iu's 1x per week, moving to 3x per week and if absolutely necessary to 500 if needed. Not recommended to go above this as it will strongly effects your TRT regime.
POST TRT Restart: As per ASIH dose, leaning towards upper dosing regime.

Fertility treatments.

This is a hammer and nail approach. However, please note; for 80% of HCG users, they will regain fertility. If this fails, add HMG to the protocol, 75 iu's 2-3pw for 3 weeks, with the HCG protocol, and the number is closer to >90% of patients will achieve pregnancies.
HCG protocol, 2-2500 ius's 3x per week for 6 weeks + (consult with endo on the + naturally).
HMG protocol, 75iu's 3x per week for 3-6 weeks Manage estrogen as always BUT, per the how this works above - ESTROGEN IS ESSENTIAL FOR SPERMIE PRODUCTION!!!! Beware!
*Consult with your fertility doctor of course, you need to measure the numbers in your jizz, motility etc.

As mentioned above, the high dose half life of HCG is 28 hours approx, but it does lower with the lower dose regime. so always use a protocol of 3x per week, if you can. It is important.

Hope this is easy/accessible, and if there are any questions, let me know, but if you want HCG tech info, read the 2nd link below, it's very clear.

References:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155680
https://www.rbmojournal.com/article/S1472-6483(10)61927-X/pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4722247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si83Ccm6tt0
https://www.musclesportmag.com/2016/04/24/in-the-clinic-with-the-anaboli...

EDITS
edited to add a TRT dose contribution by CBBurrr 250iu 1x per week to compliment TRT.
edited to change mention of rHCG to HCG. Typo kindly pointed out by Dacky.
A note on uHCG versus rHCG: The majority of the HCG we use will be urinary hcg. Efficacy is the same with rHCG, but doses/storage/delivery will be different. For the purposes of the underground community; we focus on uHCG/HCGu or simply: HCG.
edited to add a note to say that HCG with another non-test anabolic, specifically deca was tested. This failed due to estrogen crashing. 1500x3 iu's were used alongside 1g deca. Not enough estrogen was produced to function. However, alongside a ~trt level of test or supplementing natural test, there are no such issues. Suffice to say, HCG cannot replace test on-cycle, but is excellent for augmenting TRT level and endogenous test.
edited to add a TRT dose contribution by Achak. Achak was using HCG @ 500 iu's x2 per week BUT every 3rd week (1 on 2 off). He dropped his dose to 125iu, but ED and this yielded the effects he needed.

Achak's picture

One thing to note for those using HCG for the long term while on TRT, is that HCG will become less effective over time due to desensitization. I personally do HCG one week on and two weeks off. I dose it at 500iu 2x a week.

giardap's picture

It won't really. People speculate about desensitisation, but it doesn't really happen, you need to be megadosing for an exceptionally long time. A trt user won't do that.

What can easily happen though, is hormone imbalances. It has to be measured/monitored, for the trt user (unless they know their body well).

Achak's picture

So you believe that 500iu 2x a week indefinitely is fine? The effectiveness of the product won't degrade over time?

giardap's picture

It shouldn't at those levels Achak. The only issue with hcg for trt is that it changes the level of testosterone, so your baseline is changed. Your song levels change, dht will change and estro too. Hcg cause creation of estro too dont forget. So, this being a cascade causing substance, requires a little planning and measurement.

one thing you can do, however, is to cycle off for a period if you are worried.

Injections are shotty enough, so the less the better.

Achak's picture

I'm not prone to estrogen issues. I have to be very careful when taking an AI since from my experience my estrogen gets lowered too much. Regardless great info

giardap's picture

Luck man!!
;-)

BJ's picture

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Have you guys heard of or seen the trials being done on the topical version of nova? Looks promising

giardap's picture

Right on Shred. Same is true of hgh. Another tricky one for those prone to moobs

BJ's picture

Ahhhhh... Hcg is such a good drug! I just can't understand how there's some AAS users who have never ran it for PCT. They'll run straight home and have a high protein shake after their gym workouts, but after their AAS Cycles they won't do shit; can't figure those people out.

MillionDollarBonus's picture

Methods for mixing with bacteriostatic water? Shelf-life? Injected IM or subcutaneously?

giardap's picture

That info is all in the pamphlet, often with pics. Plenty of other posts on reconstituting peptides and inj methods, use the search bar.

Sadist = im, sensible = subQ. You can also use sterile water. Slow intro water, and roll.

Moraku's picture

Thank you for the read for informative !

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BJ's picture

Awesome write up as it covers all the bases; thanXXX! Can you do a similar write up on "Triptorelin" too? I just used it as a PCT(100 mcg shot) three weeks ago w/ Nolvadex 30 mg a day & feel like it's been my best PCT ever so far. Gonna do bloods in 2 weeks to look over more...Would love to know all the mechanisms at play if you know about it. I can only find one research study online.

giardap's picture

That's right up there on my to do list bro!

I would love to hear your experience in detail, you should post about it...

BJ's picture

I'll send you a PM as soon as my bloods come back. Just had them done on Friday. Feel amazing by the way on day 40 after shot.

giardap's picture

That's great to hear man, delighted for you!!!

SkinandBones210's picture

This is a solid write up. Actually saved me. I was planning on using a trt hcg dose on 500mg test cycle. Looks like I owe you one.

fuzzyhashtag's picture

hold up what did I miss that saved you?

GATORNATION's picture

Very informative

DfromPhilly's picture

This needed a bump. Lotta crazy shit asked and advised lately regarding HCG

Becausesquat's picture

Cheers for this

giardap's picture

np
spread the word!

giardap's picture

What's up big man!
Life brotha. New job, kids, Mrs is also pregnant
Actually preg after 1year plus of deca lol
Thanks HCG!

How r u fella?!

Daville03's picture

Great read. It really breaks down all my questions. Thank you!

giardap's picture

nice 1 fella

Hunter2400's picture

HCG makes my balls tingle.....I like it and run it often

kibby's picture

If you like tingling balls you should try deep heat......you'll fucking love it

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Hunter2400's picture

I'm on it....thanks for the tip Smile

giardap's picture

KIBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The poor bastaad!!!!

LMFAO!

CBBurrr's picture

Any good articles or ideas on why HCG may be good for helping rebound a case of low E ?

giardap's picture

Well, if you take a look at the pharmaco's, you can see what it does to estrogen too. In the link above with pdf in the url, thats the one to check.

The one thing I will say to you is this, in the absense of test; let's say you are tring a test free cycle or you are not TRT.... HCG is likely not enough to keep estro high enough to function.

I was recently using zero test with deca and took HCG as a test replacement, but due to the deca keeping natural test down, and also in part due to riding my estro low anyway... which I like to do... my estrogen crashed.

But with TRT in place to aromatise somewhat or with a cycle including test, the additional creation of estro by the body, induced by HCG, is why it rebounds fast/well with HCG usage.

johnmarshall12's picture

I am a BIG fan of HCG! Every time rI post an article on it's potential uses for muscle enhancement; I get nothing but arguments and told that that I'm crazy! Yet your article well written I might add; gives credence to me claims. ty for writing this in such detail. i know how much work it is! + 2

giardap's picture

Sorry John, just seeing this now. Me too, I love HCG, love it... it's a wonder drug!

Did you not take a look at the comments with a critical eye? You got a lot of feedback as to why your post was not a good thing to be putting out there... and it was nothing to do with using HCG at all...

Detach from any emotional connection to the post and have a read of the more detailed and/or intelligent thoughts on why what you posted hit a nerve or three!

In fact it will give you ammo for a better approach to spreading the HCG vibes around, which is needed... you could rewrite the post... if you were that way inclined of course!

kibby's picture

Bravo good sir!!!!

Can't get enough of these post brother

++ mate thanks ;)

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Rob83's picture

For use during a cycle (same would apply to trt), how long would you need to be at a particular dose to determine whether it’s enough or not?

If you were to wait until you have testicular atrophy then start at 250 iu 3x p/w, how long would it take before you would expect to see results?

Pittbull's picture

Thank you for the great information

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zeusmarada's picture

Great post. Thank you! +1

Fangsharp's picture

Giardap this was VERY helpful to me. It answered everything I was searching for. I didn't know enough to incorporate it on my last cycle PCT but man thank you for this. I'd plus it 10x if I could. Kudos sir. I'm going to scroll through the reference articles now.

giardap's picture

Good stuff Fang, glad it helped man. Any q's let me know!

Fangsharp's picture

Sure will. But rest assured I'll have answers to some of them so when I do ask there will be effort put forth first. Thx