+ 3 Soy , what is really going on.
Soy protein, aka “ the pussy protein” known far and wide to increase estrogen levels in the blood of any who dare to consume it. We all know this to be true , we have been told as much by the learned bros of the gym and locker room. A friend of mine once through a carton of soy milk across the defac after the guy beside him said “ hey man you know soy increases estrogen” . Soy contains Phyto-Estrogens you see its right there in the ingredients Estrogen!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5535874/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301211598002814
https://nutritionfacts.org/2019/11/21/how-phytoestrogens-can-have-anti-e...
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/soy/
Wait what the fuck, but those studies suggest that phytoestrogens in soy have very little to even anti-estrogenic activity, these scientist have lost there damn minds. No we are the ones that have lost our minds by believing pretty much anything we are told. People swear up and down that you cannot get the proper amount of aminos from a veggie based diet. But with a little research guess what I find out “ soy quinoa and buckwheat’ contain all 9 essential aminos not only that our body absorbs these proteins and aminos more efficiently . Black beans and lentils contain more protein than any form of meat, I could go on and on.
The hormones that livestock are treated with will in fact cause more estrogenic activity than equal parts soy , now tell me that’s not a kick to the head. The only way we can get Phytoestrogens is from soy based products , its not naturally occurring in our body, and basically what these Phytoestrogens do is over time they build up in our blood attaching them selves to the naturally occurring Estrogen in our body , rendering the reuptake of said Estrogen less effective more and more over time.
Now am I saying I’m about to toss all the chicken and steak in my fridge and replace it with soy HELL no , but you better believe I’m going to start at least doubling my veggie/ soy intake and see how I feel and maybe even run some bloods.
I mean come on we used to think cigarettes were healthy , is it really so hard to believe that meat may not be the answer to our diets.
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Glad to see someone sharing this information and helping others to understand. The truth always finds a way to shine through. It just takes time.
bat and snake protein really good. Old Chinese saying!
I didn't expect this topic would be met with applause and agreements , but one thing is for sure the earths population is going to continue rising and livestock require a ridiculous amounts of land to exist and even more land is needed to feed these animals the grain they require. The Populations demand will continue to increase as the population increases, so more land will be needed for the grain and livestock now while we can always get more livestock, land on the other hand.....I'm pretty sure the Earth isn't getting any bigger .
Its an unsustainable system, that is unless we expand to other planets . So logically soy is going to maybe become a larger part of our diet whether we like it or not. So maybe its not such a bad idea to set aside some of the common misconseptions about soy, just a thought.
From everything I’ve read. Soy farming takes up more space and does more damage to the environment than animal farming.
I did some research and was very careful to try and get my info from unbiased sources.
Farming/agriculture (and processing/transporting/etc) are only responsible for 9% of all greenhouse emissions.
Animal farming is only responsible for 3% of that 9%.
Now granted. Some of the plant farming is to feed the animals, but I can’t see how that would turn the tables the other direction from 3% to over 50%
The fact is that giant monocrop farms (like soy & corn) are far worse for the planet/environment than animal farming. They also deplete the nutrients in the soil. To the point that they say we only have 60 more harvests left on a lot of farm land. You know how to put nutrients back into the soil? Have animals shit in it. So animal farming may be our only hope to replenishing the soil.
The answer isn’t eat more plants. Like they’re some unlimited resource that does no harm.
The answer is less people. There isn’t a positive solution to our ever growing population. Not yet anyway.
LESS PEOPLE! #teammosquito #teamthanos
Have you heard of crickets and other insects half the world is eating? Cricket flour? other plant based proteins? So, logically, you're assumptions about soy is full of shit.
You've heard of fish as well I assume.
So theoretically the population will increase and our meals are ultimately going to be eaten from a toothpaste tube... tell me again why I need to set aside my diet assumptions like it was the year 2525; as if I'd still be alive?
Personally I'd rather have a food infused with bad ass protein from crickets than some foo foo tofu.
I'll ride with you Greg...
In the year 2525...Zager And Evans..I was about 15 when I heard that song - good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic
They do make bug protein. Bugs are pretty nutritious but I couldn’t see myself eating a whole bug.
https://criknutrition.com/collections/cricket-protein-powders
Granted there is a lot of plant based protein ingredients in here and the amount of bugs needed to equal a piece of meat is awful just to think about. Just an example they are trying to infuse foods with bug nutrients but it has a long way to go.
I wouldn't say its full of shit, I mean who knows how our diets will evolve over the next 25-50 years maybe insect protein will become the norm , maybe soy protein or maybe some sort of synthetic protein.
Fish is in the same boat 'no pun intended' as cattle , the more the population grows the more the ocean will be continuously over fished.
2525 I dunno Greg, 50 years from now the Earths population will be sitting around 14Billion or more, then 50 years later it may well double again and so on and so on. The sooner we make changes the better , but I digress man I love my rare steak just as much as the next person.
Back in the day my friends were farming rabbits didn’t take much space and and grew fast and bred fast and remember them being pretty tasty
Uugh I remember one of my neighbours years ago was big into hunting, owned Shotguns etc and after a shoot would come back with Rabbits and Pheasants and cook it all up for days on end. Use to stink the whole building out, I hated the Game season smell Lol
Oh yes the smell you never forget it
Overfishing, like logging, can be managed in a sustainable way with farming. my guess farming fast growing plankton, algie, fish, clams, et. al. will be more productive and profitable in the future.
We can only hope the population will be 14 billion, odds are unless we are colonizing mars by then the "too many rats in a cage" doctrine will kick in and our population will drop either naturally via less newborns, or by war and/or plague.
Point being, we are a long way off from "doomsday inevitabilities" and, focusing on soy as being our saving grace is unimaginative. (hence my calling BS)
Plus, there's always Soylent Green due to be in production by 2022... hey, maybe soy has a predominant place in our future after all
True very good point, nature has her way of working things out . That or the WHO will take care of it , either way I doubt it will be a painless process for humanity .
AnonYou ever seen midge patties? Somewhere in Africa dense swarms of midge flies hatch out of lakes every month and the locals catch them in big nets and smash them into patties then cook them like hamburgers. More protein than beef.
Sounds delicious... if I were a bat.
Anonlmao yeah they might not be that good.
AnonPopulation could drastically decrease from the spread of a virus or something. And Earth has had multiple ice ages and it's going to have another ice age, that's a game changer. Earth is a finite planet, the sun will run out of fuel one day and then it's game over man. I agree it's an unsustainable system, and our species will have to expand to other planets in other solar systems to survive. Soy farming and raising livestock both contribute to deforestation, they both use up land. I think lab grown meat from cultured cells is going to happen on a large scale. Depending on how technology advances, and what directions it advances in, lab grown meat may be a better route than farming plant based protein here on Earth, another planet, or in a mega space station.
Have you ever heard of companies that grow meat in lab like Memphis Meats? They pretty much take stem cells and turn them into muscle cells and grow them on a scaffold. Apparently tastes and feels like real meat in test trials. Most people are just outright disgusted by the thought of trying it but the biggest obstacle is getting it to grow in the shape of a chicken breast or steak. More of a psychological barrier
That is an interesting point . And yes I've heard of synthetic meat products before but honestly I never took them serious.
If its really a viable option that is awesome a good steak will always be a luxury worth paying for no matter the condition we humans are in.
But you know if growing meat is really possible on a large scale, why not just forget meat and soy all together . Lets just grow a synthetic protein with all the possible nutrients the human body needs , edit out all the bad fats, cholesterols etc etc etc . I would go in for it considering the body building applications.
It’s possible and we’re doing it. At the time it’s expensive and not profitable since most people can’t get past the psychological barrier. I think a company was working on a synthetic egg too.
I would assume they unintentionally or intentionally proliferate fat cells for taste and texture. For example, the reason impossible meat took off is they vaporized isolated compounds in meat and found that heme iron was the smell that made people want meat. They used genetic recombination to synthesize heme iron and put it in impossible meats to make it taste more like the real thing. It seems evolutionarily plausible heme iron does something to our brains since it’s more easily assimilated than iron from other sources and it’s a quick fix to up our concentrations for oxygen transport and other complexes. I think it’s used in the electron transport chain of mitochondria but that may be another heme complex I’m getting it confused with.
StevebFree range livestock is sustainable and is beneficial to the environment.
I’m not too worried about a few random soy estrogens. Pretty sure the anabolics outweigh any estrogenic sides. Soybean vs tren/test/mast? My moneys on the gear.
There's other plant based protein that don't have estrogen....pea protein peanut flour quinoa sprouted wheat products ...you just have to mix and match some to get a complete amino acid profile...ie rice snd beans or peanut butter and whole wheat bread
StevebThere's amino acids important to building muscle that don't exist in any plant like creatine
I didn't realize creatine was an amino acid oh ya that's cause its not your body actually makes its own creatine of course not at the rate of supplementation if you mix certain plant proteins you can get all the essential aminos that meat has... there's a ton enzymes nutrients vitamin minerals in plants that you never get from meat ..i guess I'm not understanding what your getting at..my point is soy sucks and if your cutting back on meat there's options
StevebCreatine is made up of two amino acids, it's not an amino acid it's 2
Name one? No it's the other way around, you can get everything from an animal source. No plant on earth has Vitamin A, B6, B12, D3, F, K2, Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine, Heme Iron, CoQ10, CLA
The same people who deem these things essential also recommend eating tons of crap you don't need like what's at the bottom of the food pyramid, lot's of grains. A real super food is eggs especially fish eggs and liver.
Plants don't have any D3 which you need and if you don't get enough sunlight you won't have enough without getting it from an animal. You do not get the essential fatty acids from plant's and the few found in certain seeds don't even convert well enough. No heme iron in plants
Anything a plant might have like Vitamin C is more bioavailable from an animal like the Vitamin C found in organ meats or meat that isn't overcooked.
Name one person who was vegan their whole life and was able to reproduce?
I'll stick chicken and fish lol
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soy%20Boy
The biggest problem with soy, is nearly all that is available in the U.S. is GMO. On top of that, soy is heavily treated with glyphosate and that poison just builds up in the plant. If you want to eat soy, find organic non GMO and make sure it is fermented. From my research fermentation neutralizes the phyto estrogens.
Very true mate but glyphosate is nothing compared to chlorpyrifos which is still widely used in the states on most your crops I believe. It’s been banned here in the uk and most of the EU since 2016.
Very true. The use of glyphosate has gone up but the use of more harmful pesticides has gone down no matter what it’s a losing battle
StevebGlyphosate was also used to unclog pipes. It removes minerals and does the same thing in your body.
StevebNo Vitamin d3, creatine, bioavailable b vitamins, and there are more amino acids you need than just 9. Look up anti nutrients and do you think your body actually absorbs things you need from plants like calcium?
Guys that carry on loudest about how soy will turn you into a woman are telling you a lot more about their own insecurities and fears than anything else.
What they contain and what/how much of it you can actually digest are two very different things. I’d do some more reading. you can always find a study to back a claim. But a lot of times there’s more to the story.
As far as the phytoestrogens go, I’ll check those links out but It’s not just bro science. Studies and doctors have been telling us that. But as I said there could be more to the story so I’ll definitely check it out.
For every study saying something is bad there's another that it's good you are correct.
I remember a while back there were claims tuna fish caused cancer. Naturally that was found to be wrong and just plain stupid. Scientists hypothesise and doctors practice medicine, everyone is different even though we are all the same species.
RustyhookerSoy is trash. Theres many sources of phytoestrogen in our daily lives from hand wash to foods.
Food bigot. Lol
RustyhookerYup! Steak fish chicken. Haha
AnonFrank Zane wrote about decreasing red meat and increasing fish as he got older. Frank says he did it for age related reasons, fish is easier to digest. A lot of store bought fish and seafood is wild caught and not treated with anything. If you know someone that hunts wild game offer to trade them something for meat. Elk, bear, deer, whatever they hunt. Or take up hunting. Wild animals are not treated with hormones and antibiotics.
I think wild game meat and fish is where it's at as far as the best protein.
It's good to consume some protein from plant sources along with all the others. As far as a supplement goes I'll stick with Whey.