Extremely high LH levels - advice wanted
High guys,
I ran a cycle of test e @ 250mg pinned twice a week = 500mg per week, also took approx 0.25-0.5 arimidex every other day for the last 5 weeks of a 12 week cycle.
I must also mention that being a complete beginner I started by taking a 60 day cycle of anavar. I don't remember dosage sorry but assume it was mid range as I wouldn't of ran a high dose.
So in total I was effectively cycling for 5 months.
Started clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last pin of test and ran for 30 days... again I don't remember dosage but I know it was in whats perceived as mid range.
I experienced quite severe mood swings, mostly depression and anger but felt very low toward the end of cycle and after for a good couple months. Libido absolutely bottomed out and I had no sexual desire at all and struggled to muster up a boner. also my nuts basically disappeared until about 2 months after cycle end.
Ran bloods after 2 months as I was concerned about my mental state (and nuts) and majority of levels were good APART FROM!
Luteinising Hormone 18.2 iu/l
Prolactin 342 mu/l
After reading other peoples post about high LH I realised that mine was crazy high and I now understand that my symptoms were down to the high prolactin and lh
The reason behind this post is I have a question! if I run caber and HCG with my current cycle of 500mg test e and 200 NPP per week, will this massively help in the prevention of previous experienced sides?
I'm struggling to understand if HCG will make my high LH even higher or lower it?
Any advice much appreciated and even just a response would be great.
Oh I forgot to mention i'm 34 years old 5'10 and 83kg
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RustyhookerAge: 34
Height: 5'10
Weight: 84kg
BF:
Your writing up top and replies below....you gotta be trolling or the most uneducated juicer in history. Stop stetoids. You have no clue!
You ever thought that somebody might actually ask a stupid question? Why have you turned into a complete asshole? Maybe take a cycle off.
The “not sure how much var, nolva, clomid he was taking” thing is definitely a little suspect.
That said I know guys that almost certainly didn’t know what they were taking. Someone said “here take 3 of these a day until they run out” and they just blindly said ok lol.
Some people are reckless.
They're trusting bro science and guys that are pumped in the gym a lot of times, without asking for help or doing research, at least he's here now and looking for help.
PcushionAbsolutely
Very true.
Alphamale500You don't seem to remember much of anything. All I have to say is, I really can't believe the stupidity of these kids today! Smfh! Taking all these chances with your health, without knowing shit about running gear safely or properly! It's just too fuckn much sometimes.
Do you other members think we would be helping him by answering his basic questions that he should've known before ever touching gear, or do you guys think it would be hurting him in the long run? Seriously, I'm curious.
Worst case scenario, due to the hyperstimulation of gonadotropes in your pituitary you developed an adenoma (begnin cancer). Go to a doctor. He will run a GnRH suppression test. If LH stays high, we know. Then you need to get radiotherapy or surgery.
This scenario is actually not too far fetched (and actually quite likely UNLESS you are still using any SERMS atm) and it sometimes happens in women who undergo clomid therapy and also in BBers sometimes.
Best case scenario: as LH is strongly pulsatile (in contrast to FSH which is much more constant depending on your AMH and activin/inhibin levels from your testes), you might just have had bad luck and caught your blood snapshot right during a time of an LH pulse.
So for you:
1) get a retest on LH
2) if still high, RUN to an endo
PcushionThis is all over the place.
HCG will raise your LH so don't there. Follow some of the other advice below!
Opposite is the case.
No HcG will drop your LH to 0. It imitates your LH
And fsh to a degree
and TSH for thyroid
RustyhookerHcg turns on the switch...
Pwhore_tilum66High lh can be secondary hipogonadism. Testicular dysfonction
They may or may not be related. But no don’t run anothe cycle and add more hormones to the mix, damn. You should run another pct with caber.
What is your fsh at? What’s your test at? High lh can be a sign of hypogonadism
The bloods were taken on August 13
Testosterone was 22
Free test 0.4
Fsh 5.79
I had 4 months clean and have now started new cycle of test e npp so want to try to minimise sides experienced last time
Units? ...you should post the bloodwork
Well a new cycle probably isn’t going to minimize not recovering from the cycle before
fsh 5.79 iu/l
LH 18.2 iu/l
oestradiol 75 pmol/l
testosterone 22.5 nmol/l
free test 0.4 nmol/l
free androgen 51.37
prolactin 342 mu/l
I started new cycle feeling completely normal, mood fine, nuts fine sperm back to normal etc
Were you saying you were not feeling fully recovered yet you hopped on a new cycle anyway? Or you did fully recover, got all your ranges back and healthy and now you’re cycling again?
I’m a little confused here.
Hi sorry for confusion, I was feeling fine for a good couple of months and then started new cycle 10 days ago
Ok so full recovery, now on a new cycle and you’re asking for tips preventing those issues on your NEXT pct.
Got it.
I’m of the mind that HCG all through will make pct a breeze. Then your nuts never go into hiding. Keep an eye on estrogen because HCG will make it harder to control. It does elevate it and with npp in your system you don’t want the estro/prolactin upward spiral.
What I suspect was happening was your body was trying to restart and the balls weren’t working. So your pituitary sent more LH. Still not response, so it sent MORE. This is common in secondary hypogonadism. Your body keeps sending it because nothing is happening. You are fortunate the problem rectified itself but I’d say run the hcg if you can. 500 iu split biweekly is what I do.
nice man, nice to see someone actually helping noobs
I got a question. So prolactin comes with really high out of controle estrogens. So why does deca throw it so out of controle or say it was just test at like 1 gram a week could u get prolactin also?
Great question, so when we look at prolactin, progesterone, an estrogen we see a hugely synergistic effect between all three. Estrogen upregulates progesterone receptors and increases prolactin sensitivity.
Now nandrolone is a progestin. It’s a mild one but it still directly activates the progesterone receptor at about 20% the strength of progesterone. So if you aren’t careful and let your estrogen rise, and upregulate that receptor then nandrolone comes along and stimulates it, now we got titties. And a limp dick.
Can prolactin rise without 19-Nors? Hell yeah. I’ve seen guys on test only with high prolactin but I have no idea why. It’s secreted in the pituitary same place as thyroid and LH, FSH, all these hormones we’re messing around with so I can see if you had a genetic disposition to it getting out of whack. But test only you’re much more likely just to run into E2 problems.
Good read thanks I understand it better now how u say it. I've read it probably a few times but it wasn't clicking.
AnonNice
I was def confused. So levels back to normal now?
yes mate
Do you know that or just going off feel? Above you said you get good for a couple months so you started up again. Next time of get bloods to make damn well sure you’re back to normal.
I suspect some guesstimating was used
Oh...well in that case was probably just due to pct. def caber for prolactin since you are prone...:would use hcg after cycle