posted Thu, 09/12/2019 - 14:49
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Cycle Advice- Test/Tren/Eq anything else
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I’m 37, 6’1”, 215lbs. One my third cycle. Just wanting to bulk for Winter, but in Spring. Worked out pretty frequently a couple years ago, for a few years. Took 2 years off, been hitting it hard for the last year. Just wanting to put on serious mass with as little fat as possible.
Working out 6 days a week, splits, 1-1.5 hrs a day.
This is my current cycle:
300 mg Test C- 2x per week (600mg)
200 mg tren E- 2x per week (400mg)
200 mg EQ - 2x per week (400mg) Added this in last week
No real sides, couldn’t sleep on tren for first couple weeks. Do I need any AI if no sides?
Anything else I should throw in this cycle? Any recommendations? Been on it for 5 weeks, EQ for one week.
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The first and most important step when cycling is doing a deep research.
Probably the second most important step when cycling in planning your diet.
Probably the third most important step when cycling is training AND resting.
And then the cycle itself.
I notice a lack on information in the 1st step and no info at all about the 2nd one. Without the basement you can't build columns, though.
Its not just about stats, where you are and where you want to be.
You should be asking what to take away from your current massive cycle for number three. But, to throw a bone to a fellow moron, because myself personally was the dummy to go full bore into Tren on number two in my early years...
Tren really put a hurting on my joints later in life due to not being ready for that much strength. Be careful with your explosive strength gains for your own sake. There’s days I can’t lift today because of the bad decisions I made back then.
Next. It’s a myth that gyno is impossible with Tren. If you’re one of the many that doesn’t get bloods ran, remember you are on the most powerful anabolic known to man and it can negatively effect many aspects of your health and that I highly recommend being much more educated before proceeding. But! You could run low amounts of an AI due to Tren being one that can blow your estrogen way up. But, you could be hurting your gains by taking them mindlessly. In other words. GET TESTED
Next! You need to be exploring your exit route after this cycle and you PCT is about 80% of this cycle and will be 90% of your cost. Look around for the perfect post and follow it. Good luck buddy and enjoy the awesomeness that is Tren and ALLLL that comes with it.
Alphamale500Have you had any bloodwork done since you've been on this cycle? That's really the only definitive way to answer your question as to whether you need an A.I. or not!
You need you have your e2 levels checked and see if they're out of range, and also everything else. So you're just waiting for side effects to appear and then worry about treating them? Obtaining an A.I., and whether you'll need one or not should've been researched and gotten before taking your first injection! And you've had no bloodwork, you're already running 3 compounds, and you wanna know what else can you throw in the mix! SMH! You're being very ignorant bro. What you should be concerned with right now is getting bloodwork first and foremost !!
Honestly, it seems to me like you are just being too reckless with these compounds and not taking into account how powerful they are. But you'll learn one way or another!!
I bet you have no PCT plan either right? Or if you do, you didn't get the ancilliaries yet? SMFH! You should get used to taking injections, because people that act foolishly like you are the ones who end up needing trt for the rest of their lives! Really bro, you should smarten up. It's not a joke!
Alphamale500"Anything else I should throw in this cycle? Any recommendations?"
"Do I need any AI if no sides?"
Don't you think it would've been smart to know the answers to these questions before you even bought your gear, or decided on which compounds you're gonna run?? SMFH! It just annoys me at how stupid/ignorant some people can be!!
So you decided to run tren, test and eq, and didn't think you would need any ancilliaries, and didn't even think to get bloodwork, and didn't even research these issues beforehand, right? Come on bro, you don't see how stupid and reckless that is??
I recommend that you get bloodwork done immediately, and research using aas safely and properly before running any more gear before you end up causing great harm to yourself!!! Just one last question that I have; your e2 levels or needing an A.I. for any reason didn't come up during your last few cycles???
Always best to keep an AI on hand, just incase sides DO happen. In general I've found that most people agree that keeping Tren cycles as simple as possible is what works best.
Also, there are alot of that arguments spring up about Test to Tren ratio. I'd suggest going with Test E next time and just doing either a 1:1 ratio or 2:1 ratio with Tren being the higher dosed (Usually helps with sides, not sure about the science behind it, but this is the case for most people). P.s. Make sure you're keeping your liver protected as well and really keep an eye on your blood pressure when you're using Tren. Best of luck!
Alphamale500If side effects occur while running a tren cycle, then you're likely going to need more than an A.I. I'd suggest having bloodwork done before, during and after your cycles, and use whatever ancilliaries are necessary to keep your blood markers in range to totally avoid whatever side effects it may be in the first place. Instead of just keeping an A.I. on hand and waiting for side effects to manifest!!
And when running tren cycles, I'd be more concerned with having other ancilliaries on hand like dopamine agonists/prolactin inhibitors such as cabergoline or pramipexole, as well as an A.I.
But what's so important like I always say, is
BLOODWORK, BLOODWORK, BLOODWORK!!!
I just had my blood work done late August. Tell me if this is enough?
Not trying to be ignorant man, I just have a couple buddies you I trust and I’ve had great experience and no issues. Maybe that is ignorant but these guys I really respect. But that’s why I am on here asking questions and I want to do the right thing.
I have the results, they’re just in PDF form. Should I just post them on the site and can y’all help?
Upload them in picture format (with identifying information edited out) to the labs section
Thank you for your help. Not sure if these are sufficient but this was just recent bloodwork I had done. I uploaded them in the picture section. Thanks man
Best to do some research and do proper cycles. This is a weird mix for sure!
Alphamale500Definitely could use a lot more research! Whether you'll need an A.I. or not is something you should know not only beforehand, but before you even make the choice to use aas. If he doesn't know that basic information, than how can he possibly make correct and safe decisions regarding gear? He can't is the answer!
But yeah, more research and better cycle choices for his experience!+
This is a pretty common mix for advanced guys. I still don’t think this guy should do it (terrible idea for him), and I would do it cuz I don’t fuck with tren, but it’s not a weird combo at all.
Alphamale500Common for someone who knows what they're doing and has the right amount of experience and knowledge, but not him that's for sure.
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RustyhookerCycle is way over your head. Shoulda asked first.
The lack of ancillaries or having them on hand was the first red flag. Sounds like his buddy just told him to take what he takes after cycling for 10+ years. This is unfortunately a pretty common practice. I was listening to a “vet” talking to a young kid at my gym who was running test only, this mentor told him to add EQ, tren e, cytomel and clen. For his first cycle. No info on any of the drugs or why, just pin and go because that’s what gets results. Sad man.
If you want to run a cycle run a little test bro. That’s all you need if you’re this new to anabolics.
I just had two friends that are extremely intelligent and run very large businesses. At least I thought they’re pretty smart. I trust their judgment, but sounds like I need to do my own research. Maybe that’s ignorant. Both of them have done similar cycles and are not even friends. guess it doesn’t mean it’s right but…
RustyhookerBearded has ya.
Not trying to bark at ya. Just saying that theres easier ways and to use as lil as you can while you can. As your body builds tolerance and seeing this as your third..... think that if you keep pushing too hard on chems that 3000mg a week PLUS orals just to get growth. Enjoy the simple life while you can.
And as you do branch out into a stack then you can still start low if youre killing the gym and foods because youre stimulating multiple receptors. Less sides, less e2 or prolactin and DEFINITLY less cash on gear. But still adding a good 10lbs.
Dad speech over...be safe bro. Welcome to eroids!
Nice. +1
It’s not a bad cycle. This is a cycle you might run for a bb show when you’ve been cycling for many years and you need that many drugs to still get an effect. You’re just using a bazooka to blow up an ant hill right now. Of course it’ll work. But it’ll also have more impact on your body.
Does that make sense? I’m not trying to be an ass, there’s a reason we cycle a certain way rather than just throwing in drugs willy nilly.
The best way to cycle is to start with test and slowly add compounds and increase dose over the years when progress slows. That way you can keep growing and progressing for 20+ years. If you start with tren there’s really nowhere to go from there. More tren I guess? I don’t want to see you stuck with nowhere to go after just a few cycles because you used cycles that were over your head.
This cycle is above my head. I’m about your height with a 260 offseason and a 220 stage weight. You should drop the tren now.
That completely makes sense. And that’s what I’m looking for, some solid advice. I don’t want to be stupid, just trying to put on some good mass. Looking for a jump starter but if you’re saying overboard, I’m gonna run the train for two more weeks which will be 8 weeks total.
Then EQ and test. Is that a little bit more in my league?
For a third cycle, test and EQ, yeah it’s not bad.
As long as your dosages stay conservative shouldn’t have too many problems. More than enough to stack on some quality pounds. You may notice EQ drying you out toward the end of the cycle from the natural AI metabolites it produces. Also keep a close eye on your blood, specifically RBC’s as they can creep up and thicken your blood on EQ if you aren’t careful. Also monitor your BP and don’t be afraid to end the cycle if you can’t get BP under control.
That’s the real killer with AAS, guys run high BP for years and eventually it blows out the tubules in their kidneys and they stop being able to filter your blood, kidney failure, dialysis, death. Fix it now and you won’t have to worry about it later. Get your estrogen checked 2 weeks after you stop the tren so you can get a good idea of how much e2 you’re producing without the tren throwing off the reading.
Next cycle do the research and build it yourself. Post it up here in the planning stages and we’ll help you tweak it if need be. I know it’s easy to trust a guy you can see regularly and know but this stuff is very individual specific and what works magic for one guy can be awful for another.
RustyhookerAgree!! Pinning so long that the 'vet' forgot the good old days where 300 test all alone worked wonders. Maybe some var in the tail end.
Now you talking about a cycle where the work does the work!People today want a magic bullet but they really don’t exist!
RustyhookerI wish there was a magic bullet. Id be 195 sub 5% . Lol.
Alphamale500Definitely with you on the first red flag! If you don't know when an A.I. is required or how to find out, you should not be running any type of aas period.+
My buddy is actually comanager with me. He may have even been doing it 15 to 20 years. He keeps acting like all this is no big deal. He’s never had any major side effects or gyno.
That’s why I figured I’d come on here and ask. I trust him.
So your recommendation is get some blood work done and keep AI on hand? I trust this guy, maybe I shouldn’t but he’s never had any issues acted like it was no big deal
Alphamale500This guy didn't explain to you what ancilliaries may be required when running the cycle you were? Did he tell you that you should be getting regular bloodwork done? I'm assuming he didn't, otherwise you wouldn't be on Eroids asking about this right? And you still trust him?
You need to do your own research so you know the answers to these questions when things like this pop up. You can do permanent damage to your body by not using aas safely and properly. It's really not a joke. It's for your own good bro. And choosing to run tren with this little experience is plain stupid! What you shou be focused on right now is getting bloodwork done and see what's out of range, if anything.
But whenever running that amount of test, it's very likely that you'll need an A.I., and when running tren, you might need a dopamine agonist(prolactin inhibitor), but only bloodwork will tell.. But what if you did need one of these or both? How would you even know how to dose it? What have you got for PCT?
Your buddy is crazy lucky. I have a buddy like that too. Does all kind of shit that would give me C cups, and nothin... Doesn’t mean his blood/health markers don’t look like shit tho.
I would be more worried about the high BP and EQ than gyno.I may be lucky as well ,never need AI or caber with tren and test or eve EQ.Throw deca in the mix though and and you could milk me.
I didn’t mean that cycle specifically (although I don’t know how I react to tren so I may get it with that cycle and no AI or caber). I just mean in general some dudes hardly get any sides like that no matter how dumb and wreckless they are, and some are educated, take all precautions and get a lump or bad acne or high BP ect on 500mg of test only.
I agree 100%.I actually like the cycle myself but not for someone that already has high BP.The OP should probably just stick with test and work.
Just to note I wasn’t arguing with your advice either.It was certainly sound!
All good brother I didn’t take it like that at all. And yea it looks a lot like what my one buddy runs (not the idiot one lol)
I’ve never been diagnosed with high blood pressure. Mine just tends to run on a little higher side. They’ve never put me on any medicine or anything.
These are just two friends I’ve known for a long time, don’t even know each other and have run the cycles many times I said. No issues. Maybe that’s ignorant of me but I feel great and have zero issues as well. Neither did I on the first cycle of tren which was my second.
But I definitely learned a lot th but I definitely learned a lot through all the advice
I’m not bustin on you brother.Trust me though and go for the tren A over the tren E.You’ll thank me later!
Thanks dude. That because of blood pressure? And if there’s an issue I can come off quicker?
My red blood count is a little high. I’m actually going to go donate blood tomorrow
Donating is a very good idea especially because of the EQ but tren a just gives a much better response in actual muscle.Tren e is ok but tren a is wow.Note it will also give you a lot more of the noted “tren sides”.For me tren e and EQ make me feel much the same.Why take both?
Your buddy seems to be an idiot! YES, you need bloodwork and YES, always keep an AI on hand!
High BP and EQ are a bad mix.EQ is known for increasing hemocrit.This can be very dangerous.Also tren A would be a better option simply because it has a shorter half life and would leave your system quicker if you were to need to stop.
Bloodwork will tell you if you need an AI or caber/prami for the tren
For the members here to accurately help you we need to know some stuff:
What does your bloodwork look like?
What are your goals?
What are your current lifts?
How long are you planning on running your cycle?
Do you have AI and PCT on hand in case of emergency?
What are your previous cycles?
What does your diet look like?
You’re sitting at almost a gram and a half of gear each week, that’s a bit excessive. Why 3 compounds? Wouldn’t 1 or 2 work just fine? More is not always better.
Sorry man, I am a newb. I have friend who has been cycling for decades somewhat advising me. Gotta ask somewhere.
Don’t know exact BF, but had a little extra fat around love handles, but my body really has cut that and starting to put on decent muscle.
Goals is put on serious mass till Christmas, then shred in Spring. Trying to not put on too much fat as just cut out quite a bit.
My gains have been huge. Doing chest/tri, back/bicep, shoulder, legs then repeat. I take off Sunday no matter where it falls. Every week, I’m adding 5-10 pounds on every excerise. Spending 1-1.5hr a day in gym.
Eating pretty clean. 5-7 meals a day. Chicken/fish/shrimp/steak- sweet potato/brown rice- veggies. I do eat some quest bars and a bunch of protein shakes, but besides those pretty clean. Around 4K calories a day.
Really my previous 2 cycles were test/tren. I just added in EQ a week or 2 ago to try and bulk this winter.
Was planning on running 12-16 weeks. Since started EQ one month into it, figured maybe run 16 weeks and stop tren at 12 weeks.
Don’t know bloodwork. If you seriously recommend, I’ll go tomorrow.
Dude, I’m open to advice. Only doing the 600mg test a week because the bottle was 300mg/ml.
No worries, everyone starts somewhere. Okay, first things first. We need to get you knowledgeable about your body and what you’re putting into your body. That means lots of reading and research on your part. I can point you in the right direct for some of that stuff.
Next, yes bloodwork is serious and necessary. A female test pane from privatemdlabs is only $70 and will give you the basics (but no lipids).
I would recommend against running tren right now, but If you insist on running tren, then you’ll need to monitor more stuff as that adds a whole different type of compound, 19-nor’s. I haven’t run them so I don’t speak from experience, but here’s a good post about it: https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/running-a-19-nor
It sounds like you’re about where I was at a month ago when I started my blast, 6’ 210lb 15%bf. I’m running 500mg test cyp/wk by itself (with some HGH) and getting awesome results. I would think you would get equally good results from a far simpler cycle (test only).
Since you’re on TRT you don’t need to worry about PCT, but I would recommend having Nolvadex on hand in case e2 sides go sideways, and also have Aromasin or Anastrozole on hand for AI pending bloodwork.
If it was me, I’d come off the tren and eq, stick to test only at 400-600mg/wk and run it for 12wks. Save the tren and eq for later down the road once you have more knowledge and a better muscle base to work with.
Start your research homework by reading all the stickies in each of the boards, they are there for a reason.
If he is running tren the 70$ panel wont work. He will have to get the one that reads prolactin. Its 102$ ish. 19nors will show wrong levels for e2.
X2. Prolactin and estradiol sensitive. (Unless getting it from quest. Then just prolactin and regular estradiol.)
Also did anyone else catch that he was planning on running this til Christmas? I didn’t do the math but that feels like a really long time on tren, especially for someone that doesn’t even need to be using it.
Yeah I saw that. The whole thing is surely over kill for now. Seems he has already got him self into it.
Yea I mean he’s in it there’s nothing to fix that. I’d just hope he doesn’t run the tren til Xmas. Oh well it’s not my body.
Last question, do I just go to labcorp today and get a full panel? Any recommendations on that? Do I go to my general doctor and just shoot them straight?
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Prolactin and e2 sensitive are needed because ur on tren. Tren can raise prolactin, and cause a false reading for high estradiol if you don’t get the sensitive test.
Actually at labcorp right now. Thanks for the heads up on the discount. Saved me 30 bucks.
Thanks guys. These others are beating me up on it, fuck it. As mentioned above, my vet buddy been doing It forever and acts like this is no big deal. That’s why I am here asking questions
Do I just go get a physical and get blood, test anywhere location or is this a panel online? Any suggestions. I’m open fellas.
So depending on results, that will tell me of AI necessity?
Also, I was on TRT precious to this. I was planning on falling back to TRT at normal level after this cycle, so not PCT needed? In kinda green, I get it.