posted Fri, 08/02/2019 - 09:31
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HCG Usage During PCT? What are the drawbacks of not using HCG at all during PCT?
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I have never used HCG.. Including throughout this cycle? This is my 3rd cycle, I ran Test e at 500mg for 16 weeks and Equipoise at 400mg for 15 weeks. My plan is to wait 1 month after my last Test pin and start 40 Nolvadex/50 Clomid for 2 weeks then reduce each by half for 2 more weeks. How should I integrate HCG into the mix? Dosage and length of time? This is a post built off something I posted earlier today because I’m oblivious to HCG...
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I really appreciate all the advice! I’m trying to get my hands on some HCG on the fly right now.. I decided to pin test e another week or two until I can get it.. Thanks fellas!!
No offence but that's a shit pct bro..you need Clomid nolva at 100 and 40 for2 weeks then 50 and 20 for 2 or 3 weeks..start hcg after your last pin and run 500 a day for at least 10 days..helps kick start test production.. then serms will do the rest
Alphamale500Sounds exactly correct to me!! Great pct right there!+
RustyhookerClick my avatar....read my pct forum. Rework your pct
Screw it....argue with these citations from PhD's
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-l...
csawhttps://youtu.be/YRp10jUUkac. Greg talks about here
PcushionHere man read this
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/reproduction-androgen-disorders/new...
HCG has a valid place in your cycle and as part of your PCT, but I would use it during the period between your last pin of a long ester and starting the SERMs.
The dosing vary depending on the person, what they've read and what works best for them. I would stay away from using more than 500 iu's in a day though. I read a while back that very large doses, especially every day can over stimulate the leydig cells and actually make recovery more difficult or even hamper the ability to fully recover.
what if I pin hcg 1 week before cycle ends + 3 weeks after last shot of test and start pct right after last pin of hcg what do you think about this? I hope you understand what I wrote xD
Im thinking 3x 500iu/week
X2...that's my opinion also bro
Alphamale500I agree spot on with everything you wrote in this comment. Imo, HCG is so valuable while on cycle, as part of your pct, and while on trt! Its benefits are clearly written on many official sites all over the place. While it's supposed negative effects, not so much!!! There's no doubt to HCG's beneficial effects in the male AAS users body, and that's a fact!
I know there's gonna be those who disagree, and I have nothing against you guys, and we'll just have to agree to disagree. But like I mentioned, have you noticed that there's so much OFFICIAL information about HCG's beneficial effects out there, and yet there's so little if any OFFICIAL information regarding HCG's non-beneficial effects? Why do you think that is?
I have first hand experience as to HCG's awesome benefits. Personally, I wouldn't use testosterone without HCG, on-cycle or with trt. That's just my preference and of course everyone has their own.
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RustyhookerDunno bout official non official...
But it is a fact that elevated estro will stop your recovery on pct. Hcg converts.
Alphamale500Yes that's true, definitely converts to estrogen. That's why I think it's best to use it during the period of your last pin and until starting your other pct meds, but not actually at the same time as your other pct meds.
RustyhookerAgree. Or modify/listen to body. Another reason i liked the aro pct. It kept e2 low for better recovery and hcg wasnt a worry. I could run hcg into 2 weeks til pharma meds build up. Felt better with less of that hormone drop blah feeling.
csawCan I get a +1 for disagreeing alphamale I lost some lol
csawWaste of money during cycle
RustyhookerFully agree on cycle waste. Great before pct and into 2nd week pct.
PcushionI have to disagree with it being an on cycle waste man. Solely on the grounds of preventing testicular atrophy and preserving the Leydig cells during long cycles 20-24 week run on EQ, deca. That’s just my opinion though.
Alphamale500I agree with Pcushion here, for the exact reasons stated.
RustyhookerI read your ideals before. Many ways to skin cats. Im just not up for flicking a broke light switch unless its needed.
Your citation below is for TRT folks and sperm production. Prescribed.
PcushionLol fair enough brother. I like analogy btw.
RustyhookerOnly way as individuals is run those bloods. And remember some pct meds have very long half life. It might do me fine but you might need more or less.
We used to post the basic 4 weeker pct with aro but on tren i go 6 or i feel like crap. Hard stuff so get a solid pct in there
PcushionYou exactly right about pct and tren. I run longer than traditional pct’s as well. Blood work is an AAS users best friend. It’s ashamed people can’t grasp the concept. The ones of us to who get it aren’t on here asking how to dial in AI’s or how to dose pct, why doesn’t my member won’t rise to the occasion etc. The people who are asking don’t even see the pattern... just clueless....
Smfh
PcushionWhat thats got to be the dumbest thing I have seen all day... Please think about what you just said.
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/reproduction-androgen-disorders/new...
Can you elaborate on why you think it's a waste of money?
HCG can mimic luteinizing hormone and stimulate leydig cells so when it comes time to reboot your HPTA the cells havent been inactive for as long and it will make it easier for your system to restart.
I’d probably run 500iu twice a week, during the weeks in between your last pin and ur cycle.
Read this. It’s a good one and will be more of a help
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-i...
As John said, a week after ur last pin. I’d go way lighter on the dosage tho.
I’m not saying John is wrong at all tho. I just haven’t used it that way. There’s a lot of ways to skin a cat here. This is just what I would do.
In the future I’d run 250iu twice a week thru the whole cycle and stop a week before PCT starts.
I used HCG every time I did PCT. It's very helpful and effective. I take the first shot one week after my last shot of GEAR. I use 2000 IU's EOD usually going through two 10,000 IU vials. I taper it off towards the end.