posted Fri, 08/02/2019 - 13:56
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+ 1 Best time to start PCT after Test E and Equipoise cycle?
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This is my 3rd cycle, I ran Test e at 500mg and Equipoise at 400mg for 16 weeks. My first 2 cycles were Test e alone for 12 and 14 weeks and I began PCT 3 weeks after my last pin. I know eq is longer ester so I actually only ran it for 15 weeks this time and I ran the test for another week. I planned to run the test 18 weeks but my blood pressure is concerning me and I’m gonna call it quits early.. My plan was to wait 1 month after my last Test pin and start 40 Nolvadex/50 Clomid for 2 weeks then reduce each by half for 2 more weeks.. How does this sound? Is 1 month too long to wait to begin?
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Manateeswimmer56783-4 weeks at the end stop your long esters and run short test prop in order to allow the long esters to clear adequately and to maintain adequate test levels with the short esters. Start PCT after
BigCactuswhat I always did when I ran EQ is to finish my cycle with 4 weeks of test prop only.
The layout would be like
- Test e + EQ week 1 to 12 (or however long you want to cycle both)
- Week 13/16 test prop
- Week 15 and 16 HcG blast
- Wait 3 days after the last test prop pin
- Go into your planned pct of clomid and nolva
And with a test only cycle i'd finish it off with 2 weeks of test prop with a 2 week hcg blast.
BigCactusDouble post
In my opinion, i would start Nolva,Clmd and HCG 2 weeks after last TestE and EQ pin.
But Blood test first is better.
PcushionPlease elaborate on why all the compounds stated above are a good idea two weeks post last injection?
Because I have also done a 14 weeks cycle of Test+EQ, I started the PCT two weeks later. Cycle's results were very successful. My appetite and training status did not drop during the PCT and after PCT.
Of course this is my situation, everyone may be different, I hope to hear your opinion, thank you!
Did you do a heavy EQ/Test e? I've heard that 800mg of EQ is ideal but not to go up to 1000. I've heard from several unrelated sources that high EQ with low test (250?) yields slow but qualitative gains and, as you mentioned, the effect stays after the cycle itself is over.
PcushionI was heading the same direction as Greg. For decades the common protocol was to start PCT two weeks after last injection of long esters. Two weeks is ok IF the user wants to run a very long pct but almost all pct protocols follow a four week length. So unless genetically someone has a very resilient HPG axis (some people do) following this cookie cutter protocol makes it very hard to maintain gains and puts unnecessary stress on an HPG that’s been asleep for 12 weeks or more. This is why lab work is so important. You can get a good idea of where your natural baseline test levels sit. Then if you run labs after your cycle you can watch your test levels fall and when they are approaching you natural baseline area start your pct. Labs after your cycle will also show you what your E2 looks like. Estrogen will red light your natural test production quicker than androgens.
I usually do a 4 week PCT after 12-15 weeks of Cycle. According to your suggestion, is the 4-week PCT too short? Should I do a blood test 2 weeks after the end of Cycle, and then proceed to the PCT for 4-6 weeks based on the data?
Thanks!
You don't think if you started (unnecessarily) too early that you'd get as good results than if you had waited until your levels dropped into a normal range before starting?
Half life is important but it's not just as simple as stopping and thinking you're dealing with the half life of just the last injection. It took upto 6 weeks to max out levels which would be much higher than normal levels. at 500mg test e per week, It'll take about 3 to 4 weeks for levels to drop into normal ranges. (The 400mg for the Equipoise he stopped that a week earlier which helps).
Blood work will help, but you want to maximize your PCT; starting it just before your levels start to get to low normal.
Thank you so much for the help!!
I'm just new here and your explain makes me learn alot!
KeodelWe should not start a PCT protocol when there may still be potentially high levels of androgens in the system, which would make the PCT be a waste until the levels dropped.
In this case, Boldenone and Test E have the same half-life (2 weeks) so it should be safe to start the PCT after three weeks.
in my opinion you may have a higher dose the first day and gradually reduce it. Something like that prove to be effective to me:
Day 1 Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
I hope it helps.
PcushionEnanthate and Undecylenate do not have the same half life. By design enanthate has a 7 day half life, and undecylenate has an 11 day half life. Half life’s are not universal there are many factors that determine actual half life of chosen ester I.e. injection site, metabolism.
You need to make sure what you post on Eroids is true. There is enough wrong information already floating around as it is, no need to add to it. Opinion is one thing, but talking abut half lives is chemistry not opinion.
Lastly until someone is on the experienced side of AAS use one should always use labs to determine when to start PCT.
I want to give you a little fun fact. Estrogen is more suppressive in the HPG than androgens. You need to have both in check to run a successful pct.
KeodelMy mistake. Please, community, accept my apologies for this. Ill try to edit or to erase my previous answer.
PcushionNo worries brother.
Blood test to know when at ~ zero test and ready.... And...
Use steroidcalc to get a good idea of when you are gonna be close to zero for other compounds. You wanna be below .5mg per day test.
Ideally you would blood test to know when you are ready to begin and would have factored cutoff points to allow a simultaneous end point for compounds. Half life matters but of course so do individual metabolism (don't forget that documented half lives are based on other individuals metabolism), dosage etc. But if you can't or won't blood test, then best guesstimate with steroidcalc for both compounds
Again, half life is key.
Pct works best once compound has cleared.
If compound used half life is 14 days id be starting then.
Good luck.
I personally wouldn't go more than 2 weeks! But we are all different!
Do like d said and stick with the 3 weeks..even if the bold hasn't cleared yet it won't suppress you enough to be an issue..run some hcg Clomid and nolva you'll be good to go
csawEveryone different I like longer than 4 like 6 weeks Greg Doucette l like his videos https://youtu.be/YRp10jUUkac. https://youtu.be/HCq8fjfDdVg
I’d go with ur original plan for 3 weeks after your last pin. You wisely stopped the EQ a week early so if you do 3 weeks after last pin you’ve given it 4 weeks to clear out. That should be plenty considering your EQ dose was only 400mg/week.
TrenDaddy2 weeks after your last pin should be fine. But if you want to wait for the EQ to leave your system wait until 4 weeks after your last pin