+ 4 7wk 100% off. Bloods
This was some bloods i wanted to get done before i get going on another push with my offseason. Get an idea where I’m at, if i recovered etc.
By the looks of it, I’m extremely surprised I’ve held on to my weight having my text levels at 107!!!!, Still floating 265-268 from my bulk ending around 270-272lbs.
Almost everything seems to be in check from what i can see. AST and alt is high but that’s due to training etc. RBC/HGB/HCT are just past the high mark, I’m thinking that’s somewhat normal for the size i am and what we do but if anything can i lighten me I’m open.
Also if you can tell my vitamin b12 is high and hemoglobins is at the high mark 5.7 and that’s the cut off mark for being high, so not sure if that’s bad or fine.
Estrogen is normal low, and waiting on igf from another lab, guess that takes a few days
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Just got the exams back from my heart liver and kidneys, everything checks out perfect he said. Even my blood pressure was down 120/82. Which is weird cause I’ve been running tren at about 300-400mg a week for 4ish weeks now. And last BP check when i was off was 140/90. But could’ve just been nerves etc.
anyways. Glad everything is perfect. Time to kill it!!!
My rbc/hgb/hct is always high even when im off too. I believe its because we aren't normal human size so our normal range is different than regular people. My liver values are higher but consistent for the past 5 years even when i didnt use gear for years. My gastroenterologist said its from training. I had a ultra sound on my liver because i had hep c years ago and was cured but he said it looks fine. I wouldn't get worried brother.
Thanks for your input bro. I appreciate it
Update, my igf in the 3900-4000 range. Normal being 2600-6000.
Also Went over bloods with the doctor. And after going over bloods first with Dave Palombo saying I don’t see what’s really wrong with anything besides my low testosterone and my blood sugar level was slightly elevated but I’m running 85 fasted in the morning but said I’m probably running slightly high after meals since i eat a lot of carbs.
Back to the doctor,, he said that he still concerned because my liver is slightly inflamed and still wants to run ultrasound on my liver and kidneys. Also even though he said my lungs and heart looked perfect, he said he wants to run an echo of something, which also has me more confused because why would you want to if everything seems fine.( just toncharge my insurance to make the hosptial money?) I’m thinking he’s mainly just wanting to run the tests because hospitals usually push that sort of thing because it’s more money for the hospital. I understand we should always listen to our doctor, but at the same time he’s like saying even though your not a diabetic and theres no signs of being so, lest test if you are a diabetic even further with these expensive tests just to make sure the last tests weren’t done right, like really.
On top of that he almost didn’t even care about my 106 test level, asking me are you taking anythjng to make it lower? Almost accusing me or trying to alter it or somethjng.
And then brushes it off like i can refer you to a specialist “100 miles away” to see if he’d want to get you on trt.
Like what? I’m 106 level, why i need to travel that far for them to say hey, your 106, maybe we should prescribe you trt.....so frustrating
Any thoughts?
I’m still going to go in and get the ultrasound and the echo on my heart because my insurance covers it but I just think it’s BS and something for them to just test for to get money from my insurance and to meet like a quota
Achilles412Find a new doctor To discuss your test levels with. Go see an endo forgot primary care for that topic. As for the liver enzymes high protein diets and heavy training will have your liver running hard. But please for the time being stay away from orals and any liver toxic compound for some time. As for the echo it’s properly just precautionary but he can’t truly know if your heart is fine unless you get that done. He doesn’t really know if they look perfect. But seriously bro you should be doing this heart stuff annually regardless us guys walking around at 270 280 etc is putting a major strain on our heart just breathing is harder for us then a 190 lb guy plus your use a lot of compounds and competition diets are absolutely brutal on our insides. Go get your heart checked my man
Thanks for your input, and i did go get all that stuff checked out. Next Wednesday is my check up to go over the results
Achilles412Good to hear. Shoot me a pm if anything comes back off w anything. I’m sure your good to go tho big guy
God damn great thread here guys ! Thanks to all for contributing
Blood work is good brother , especially for the mass you cary , some slight sugestions but the guys have you covered
Respect
Dope
Not bad at all! How’s your blood pressure and when’s the last time you had an ekg?
Achilles412Your pretty cool for mentioning heart health
130/93 was my blood pressure.
And sorry but ekg?
Achilles412Get some beet root juice n some magnesium that lower number could stand to be a bit lower. Ekg checks heart function. Echocardiogram is a better choice tho
Agreed diastolic is slightly high, but certainly not terrible for 260-270 lbs. Also agree that an echocardiogram is way better, but most start with an ekg, much cheaper (+/-$60). If the ekg is abnormal, then it’s time to see a cardiologist and get the echo for sure. Bodybuilding at a high level wrecks the cardiovascular system, so best to be smart and manage these things so they don’t become a problem.
Also, I’d encourage to invest $5-$10 at Walmart on some milk thistle for your liver. Being double the max isn’t just from training brother. Your liver is working hard and not yet detoxed. Especially if you intend on running any orals during your next push.
Thanks for letting me know about that. And ya!!! I always run two things during cycle, usually nac and thistle or Tudca and thistle. Never hear people asking about heart stuff.
Thanks for being such a valued member to our community. Grateful to have you brother. Hope the fam is good!
Achilles412I fail ekgs due to slight thickening of the LVC due to heavy training. Go to cardiologist once a year to be monitored been considering dropping way in weight and training differently. You ever have any kind of issues in that regard?
Exact same, and I have posted about it in the last few months. 2-3 abnormal ekg’s due to slight LVH, huge cause for concern. A couple of months ago I got in with a cardiologist specializing in athletes. The cardiologist did a full work up. He and his staff 1st listened to my heart, which sounded normal to them. That might sound funny but I had joked with them and my wife that I was so paranoid I didn’t know if they were going to want to ‘throw me on the table for open heart surgery.’ I passed a stress test on a treadmill, and did an echocardiogram to rule out anything/everything. Echo was normal. LVH was very mild. EF was 50-55 or 55-60, not bad at all (normal). Since then I’ve been doing much more cardio, pursuant to their recommendation. After 15+ years of bodybuilding competitions, which was 80-90% weights and 10-20% cardio, they suggested that cardio and weights were more balanced; 50/50.
How about you? I’d love to hear about your experience as well. We need to preach the importance of heart health to save lives on here!
Achilles412Almost same exact situation. Kept getting intense heart burn so wanted to go to cardiologist just to play it safe. Failed an ekg right in the office so I was put through full battery of testing echo calcium deposit score X-ray stress you name it. Luckily I passed them all w flying colors. They came to conclusion that I have very slight thickening of my LV athletes heart which is funny because I haven’t ran since college football years ago but low n behold they suggested to was due to intense and heavy weight training. I also have started doing much more cardio walks 3x daily and 30 mins on treadmill before I train. I’ve come down from 319 to 285( im only 5’10 17% bf at that weight) recently also because I was pre diabetic which scared me almost as much as the heart issue. Morale to my story is I pushed wayyyyy past what I should have size wise. Question I’m debating getting down into 240 range but it’s messing w my brain a little. Have you dropped down due the LVH? Did it brother you?
Wow thanks for sharing. I most certainly have downsized. I can relate. Years of being big causes us to identify with that. For me, the decision to downsize has been easy as I’ve been blessed with 2 babies within the last couple of years, and I view my decision to downsize as life and death. Am I more comfortable being bigger? Yes. Do I love food? Yes. Do I prefer training heavy vs light. Yes. All that said I made a pact with God and my wife to put longevity over bodybuilding. It’s been extremely difficult.
Have you done much to combat you blood sugar? If not, I would encourage you to get that blood sugar under control stat. I think you’d be shocked at what 3-4 weeks of low to no carbs will do to reset your fasted blood sugar levels.
You’re a big dude, and those #’s are certainly impressive. That said I believe lifespan and body weight/size correlate. Great Danes have half the lifespan of a chihuahua (unfortunately).
What are your thoughts?
Achilles412First and foremost congrats to you and your wife on the young ones in also a PROUD father of two rug rats myself. And yes the blood sugar is all good my friend. Carb in take it’s 100 grams or less daily. And thank you for the honest response on “retiring” I feel your pain but absolutely agree with everything you said. Giants don’t live long that’s for sure I really appreciate the conversation my man. PM me anytime it’s cool to chat w someone dealing w the same stuff. Respect n blessing to you n the family.
Friend request sent.
Achilles412Accepted my man
It must be extremely difficult to stop doing what makes you very happy in life, I guess things totally change though once you become a parent.
For me, yes. Just to get back on track to this being Mr. Cool Beans’ thread. From prior discussions he also has a family. I think bodybuilding at a high level can be done with a family. Just not for me
Yes it’s very difficult. Two littles myself. I just love bodybuilding, and the gym. I’m still learning the balance but I’ve came along way since i started when it comes to balancing life/family and competitive bb.
Thanks guys for sharing
RustyhookerDonte blood can lower rbc. Also hydration effects that level. E2 is low of course because your natty level is low.
Standard test is capped because natural levels dont go above that level. Privatemdlabs its a few extra bucks for uncapped. Coupon for them is feb2019. March its mar2019
Does anyone have any idea why some blood work only show test levels going to 1500 and maxes out. I’d there anything i can say or ask the doctor to not have a max so i can see the true numbers? Guessing my test will be a lot higher then 1500 being on 750mg a week.
Depends on the testing method. To show test results higher than 1500 ask for the LC/MS-MS version.
Not sure where you are located or if testing yourself is an option but LabsMD has a female hormone panel for $75 that shows Test up to 10k, estro, and a bunch of the other basics. Its my go to each month.
Achilles412Pickle rick! Thanks for that info I had no idea they had that. Good info
Achilles412The same kind of test you posted will show legit numbers it won’t be capped. Depends on when you pull them since your base test is long ester. But yes it def should be higher then 1500 despite how low your naturally levels are
Ok great!! Good to know. I figured I’ll run it for 2-3 weeks. Should be enough to time to let the cyp start climbing in my system while the prop should be in an jugging.
Achilles4123 weeks your numbers aren’t going to be very high. My suggestion would 6-8 to really see your true number brother. But yes at 3 the prop will be set in and the cyp beginning to make it climb.
Ok maybe I’ll wait a bit longer, I’ll be running tren at that point and maybe a little eq so I’ll have to keep thag in mind with estro etc
I’m 100% off test guys. I’m not running anythjng, and haven’t for the past 7 weeks. I plan on starting my bulk in a couple weeks time and then after a couple weeks of running 150mg week of prop and 600 cyp, I’ll get bloods again.
Wow Those are low Test levels - So is there even any hormone in the gear you have been taking?
Achilles412He’s not even on anything. That’s his base line numbers. He is off everything. Relax w the bashing
Nothing to do with you is it?
Achilles412Nothing to do with you either my man. You commented on a pic just like I did except you didn’t even take the time to read. Carry on not gonna clog up cool beans pic arguing have fun.
I'm not your man and don't try to talk down to me either.
Achilles412If you were my man. I’m the top. Smooches
RustyhookerDude....go back to your si page if this is all youre gonna do here.
He missed the part of DUDE IS 100% OFF GEAR.
Actually it could pass for that si too now that its mentioned....
Achilles412Read above rusty that’s not what I’m gonna do and not what I started here doing.
RustyhookerNo worries....been a long day sir
Achilles412All good my friend. There’s a my 600lb life marathon on roc tonight. No matter how bad your day was it could always be worse
RustyhookerIm on that show. The midget version. But im on a comeback. Lol
Achilles412You know what blows my mind about that show bro....the people are almost always super fuckin rude! I don’t get how YOU eat yourself damn near death but have the balls to be mean to ppl. Crazy. Ps. I’m vertically challenged myself so I drive cadillacs to make up for it
jayiskImagine what he would look like if he runs legit gear. Dam!
I know I thought that after I wrote the comment lol, an actual gram of test!
+1bro
Achilles412Also the provider name is visible my man