posted Thu, 08/02/2018 - 17:23
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3iu first thing in the morn pre fasted cardio
3iu directly before lifting in evening
Aromasin ran at 22mg a day 11mg at 6am & 11mg at 6pm, SRC was purerawz & obviously not dosed right.
Only ASS run at this time 250mg TPP a week. Just discounted DHB & Mast P about 3 weeks ago.
Now onto MGT Aqua at same dose. Will post bloods in 5-6 weeks
Just so everyone is aware. My liver enzymes have been elevated for a while now. It all started after using accutane. So be very cautious & if you don’t get blood work done but feel like your skin is itchy, your liver enzymes are mostly elevated.
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I had Hep C up until a couple of years ago and before I was cured my liver enzymes were high (not quite as high as your numbers) and I wouldn't get great IGF-1 numbers from GH.
Once i was cured my liver enzymes almost immediately feel into the normal range and as a result I now respond much better to hgh.
For me it's clear that if our liver is taxed it's going to have an impact your IGF-1 levels.
+2 for bloods..thank you
+1 for bloods bro
DobermannThnx for testing+++wishing u to get healthy;)
Man don’t we all love to run some ASS?
SuperMax, thanks for posting this up!
I'd really wanna see the test to be done after you lower your liver enzymes, as our liver is responsible for HGH/IGF-1 conversion(stimulation) .
What was the testing protocol btw?
Feel free to msg me at any time.
Testing was fasted. 3iu 2hr prior. Bloods pulled at 6am. The DHB messed up my HDL.
I’m running Red rice yeast, Plant Steriol, 200g roll oats uncooked, mega dose fish oil & 250iu HCG 2x a week for HDL
Siliabin, TUDCA at 900mg a day, hawthorn & dandelion. I have been running this protocol for 2 months now
Last TPP pin was wendsday. Cycle is over.
Pct starts on Monday. Torem, Clomid & HCG
how close was the blood draw to ending the mast? mast will smash your igf-1 just as primo does, being a dht.
dhb ive never done or tested with gh so idk how those 2 compounds would interact
Ok I’m having trouble wording this properly, but does a dht just lower the igf number as it is shown via blood work? Or does It hinder the effects of exogenous hgh as well making use of gh rather pointless with a heavy dht cycle?
Nah I get what u mean, I mentioned one of my experiences on the beards thread, I had nearly 600igf and when I added mast( years ago but I think it was 4-500mg week) I got bloods again and my igf dropped to around 300, which my baseline has been around 250. GH’s main use and most benefits come from the rise in igf-1, so if you’re not getting that raised igf-1, I do see the use of it pointless and a waste of money while using any DHT compound...an Olympia contender may have a different opinion, but I don’t think any of us are headed that direction haha
Damn. That’s what I was afraid of. I just started mast e at 300mg per week 3 weeks ago. I guess I’ll postpone my bloods and drop the mast.
Would a dht blocker be beneficial in a scenario like this for igf levels to rise? dutasteride or finasteride?
Dutasteride and finasteride work by reducing the amount of testosterone that gets converted into dht, masteron is already dht so they'd have no effect on it.
Ah that makes sense. I should have thought about that. Thank you.
Sorry man I cant answer that one, bloodwork answered my questions, you’d probably have to do the same, run the coumpounds and see what’s working
Yessir, it looks like that’s what I’ll have to do. Thanks for the info man.
Certainly got some growth in there. Could be higher. Liver enzymes are up, I’d grab some tudca and run a gram before bed for the next 4-6 weeks.
Appreciate the bloodwork
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Do you have your baseline igf-1? Also how long have you been running the gh?
Your HDL is pretty low, probably from the gh. Unless an underlying issue. Guess it could be anything really.. maybe want to look into getting that number within range 40-60. Could be as simple as diet related.
Thank you for the post, I’m sure you are lookin very solid and lean. Are you liking that mgt aqua?
GH wont hurt your HDL at all, its actually been shown to improve lipid #'s.
your t4 is a bit low, if you add in some t4, i bet your igf-1 # would rise
First off, thank you for your input and I respect your statement.
I hear what you are saying brother, and I understand that this topic, like many, are completely debatable. I’m not going to say that you are incorrect, but rather suggest that like many drugs, each user has a different reaction and should be taken case by case.
rHGH has gone through many different case studies, double blind testing, and majority conclude that rHGH does affect the users cholesterol. Some lowering HDL, raising LDL, raising HDL, some doing nothing at all, and so on and so forth. Concluding that rHGH can affect the human body’s cholesterol.
Not to say that you are wrong, simply maturly stating my opinion on a debatable topic. You seem intelligent and knowledgeable, but I feel I am warranted a chance to defend myself for my original statement.
In conclusion, case by case! Everyone is different. And many factors can affect cholesterol.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10502452/
http://genf20plus.info/lowering-cholesterol-levels-with-hgh.php
Yea everyone is different, but his HDL being that low isn’t from gh use.
The DHB messed up my HDL.
I’m running Red rice yeast, Plant Steriol, 200g roll oats uncooked, mega dose fish oil & 250iu HCG 2x a week for HDL
Siliabin, TUDCA at 900mg a day, hawthorn & dandelion.
Last TPP pin was wendsday. Cycle is over.
Pct starts on Monday. Torem, Clomid & HCG
Yes his HDL is very deficient. Take care man, good luck to you.
Lady Luck doesn’t like me
Lol I’ll say a prayer then.
Say a little prayer for meeee
T4 generally drops because the gh is converting it to t3, not leaving much left. Pretty common to see it low.
youre right, and if you raise that t4 level there should be more conversion, which would lead to higher igf-1.
they all work off each other.
So I always thought it was just a side effect of the hgh. So what you’re saying is free t4 is a necessary AND limiting factor in how much igf gets produced?
In my opinion, yes
I agree with this but it is very case by case specific with most showing no deficit at all when blood testing. But if you do and are on GH Ana want to maximise IGf-1 conversion then that is a good reason to add some T4.
Levels look low for 250 test week and 6ius gh a day?
Interesting igf numbers I wonder if mines would be similar I appreacite ur labs bro !! Thank you
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