Test E, Deca Cycle, Blood Pressure through the roof! Natural Remedies??
Hi guys,
I'm 54, 5'-10", 198lbs, around 15% bodyfat.
I started a Test E, Deca, D-bol cycle about 6 weeks ago. 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, weekly, 40mg D-bol daily.
About 2 weeks ago I was getting severe headache, usually Ibuprofen would take care of them, but not this time. When I checked my blood pressure, it was 182/105.
I immediately discontinued the D-bol, cut out all soda, and started taking Green Tea, Hawthorne, Garlic and Omega-3. It's been fluctuating 151/100, 166/104, 175/100, 153/103, 185/108, 161/101, 174/107, 141/94, 184/113 this morning (did my bi-weekly injection last night). Yesterday I added Ginko as a supplement.
Apart from the supplements I'm already taken, do you guys have any other suggestions? I don't really want to get on any meds, but will, if there's no other way. I heard about bad side affects, and having no health insurance is another problem I'm facing.
Thanks guys, I appreciate your input!
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You should see a Doc. You may not want to get on meds, but out sounds like you need them.
Here ya go, Stan knows all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT18-qwt_hQ&t=87s
Others have already mentioned your estrogen levels, that will raise your BP big time. Get it checked and fixed. In the mean time if your BP is really that high, you may want to drop or stop your cycle.
Also, make sure you're checking it correctly. I tried to donate blood once and had my BP measured at 160/110, so they wouldnt allow me. My BP has always been normal so I freaked and started monitoring it a few times a day. Turns out it was normal, they just used too small of a cuff on me. Doc told me to always make sure they use a big cuff (the bladder has to cover at least 85% of your arm or it will give false readings), or check it on your wrist.
You definitely need to see your doc asap, but as far as "natural" remedies goes nothing will lower blood pressure quite like dropping excess weight (hopefully fat and water)
you need to get off all that shit asap, anything past 140 is dangerous
Has anyone ever had experience of high PB without side effects? I had a routine visit with my GP today and her cuff was too small, gave us crazy high readings. I am running about the same test/deca above but without the D-bol and with aromasin at 12.5 ed and sometimes (1-2x during the week) a whole 25mg tab. So now I am half calm and collected, half filled with anxiety to get to a nurse I know for an accurate BP reading.
I have absolutely no sides associated with high BP and I normally maintain just under Stage 1 (pre-hypertension) levels. This is the first time I have run an AI prophylactically and the cycle has been much better for it.
Also, a late note to the OP, BP will not quit rising the moment you stop taking Deca, it will most likely continue to rise for 2-3 weeks even after a flat out stop. I know from experience, thus I really watch it on cycle. Considering I normally have BP so low that I regularly get dizzy standing up, Stage-1 is quite a jump for my body.
Well, hell, now I just scared myself into heading to the gym where I know a PT who does BP readings. I was just checking out diets and instead made myself worried about that damned reading. On the good note, it is always good to have arms too large for the clinic cuffs!
It's called the "silent killer" for a reason mate.
High bp doesn't always come with noticeable sides untill it's to late
If your ever concerned about high bp there is a few things you can do to lower it temporarily.
Soak your feet in hot water (as hot as you can stand)
Celery sticks (about 4) = roughly 1 hour of a drop in bp
Beetroot juice on a daily basis will almost instantly lower bp due to nitric oxide build up
But a doctor is your main priority mate
Rustyhooker^^^^ nice
GET ON BP MEDS ASAP! GET TO THE ER!
Damned, go to the doctor as soon as possible! Stop pinning deca and reduce your testo dosage. Furthermore cut out all sodas, energy drinks, coffee, teas and drink a lots of water...
There's a plenty of solid advice from the guys posting below, hope you will take it!
I must say deca made my BP skyrocket so much that I had to get on BP meds. Don't think I'll ever run it again. Off the Deca now and no longer need any BP meds either. Natural remedies aren't going to cut it with BP that high. Like the others said you need to go to the doc now.
Looks like the members below have you covered on this so I just wanted to add a comment about diet....
Energy drinks, pop, etc shouldn’t even be in the picture here... imo there is absolutely no reason to incorporate this into your diet. Nutrition is a lifestyle not just a “on cycle” thing , practice healthy balanced meals everyday...
I would suggest dropping the deca completely ...no offense here but people our age really don’t need to mess around with the “heavy” compounds imo...some properly dowsed test and provi along side a tight diet plan may be all you’ll ever need ...
Hope you get the bp sorted out..stay safe
GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR! GO TO THE DOCTOR!
LISTEN TO DACKY- STOP READING THIS AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE DR.
2 Weeks you waited, No Blood tests, No AI and giving blood never occurred to you? Dbol will do that , I have had that issue myself.
Don't ever wait, I had a co-worker who had a head ache, waited to weeks, went home after work to lay down due to the head ache and his wife came in the room to wake him for dinner only to find him dead. He had an aneurysm in the brain and died in his sleep.
Instead of listening to anon internet advice about something this serious... ffs man, for all we know you could have a brain bleed, go to a doctor.
185/108...... you are WELL into the danger zone there, as in; you need an intervention of some sort.
go to a doctor versus listen to internet steroid users and die
go to a doctor versus listen to internet steroid users and die
go to a doctor versus listen to internet steroid users and die
I know what I would be doing and it wouldnt be chit chatting on here with anons. You're about to blow a gasket man, act fast, act today and get to the doctor.
Mental he even posted here. I’d be at the emergency room coming clean and hopefully not stroking out! FFS!!!!
One more tug for the road
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Dirty LOL
RustyhookerOnly dirty if ya didnt wash.....lol
LOL mental is right Dacky!
I know a lot of blokes can be bad with their health, but jebus this one is serious!!
Yup, For sure. Do you at least know what your base line BP is.
But yea. GO TO DR STAT.
Solid advice imo..
Why aren't you taking an ai?
Dbol aromitizes so much.
Estrogen must be controled. Have your nipples started to puff up from gyno?
Some good ones to add in are beer root juice and apple cider vinegar. You can get the powder from of beet root juice at wallmart. I highly reccomend it for blood pressure I have drank it every day for years. It has many other good effects as well. It's even good for your brain
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Thanks RH,
did you recommend that to get my blood panel done? Or something else?
BLOOD PANEL this is serious shit, and that’s the only way to know what’s causing it.
If you can get the panel tomorrow I’d hold off on the Arimidex till after they draw the blood. If you take it now and your estrogen drops and looks normal then we’ve got ourselves looking for another cause. Although I guess if the blood pressure drops after the arimidex then we know the cause... I just prefer to have pure labs for my own research purposes.
Edit: mind throwing up your cycle history? I’m curious.
Green Tea is high in caffeine, it will raise you bp, drop it - replace with water. If it's a good quality dbol,then 40 mg for 6 weeks is pretty high. Test is also on higher side. How much weight have you gained in those 6 weeks? Any ancillaries? At your age you might want to see someone pretty soon to bring it under control if it won't drop soon. The longer it stays at those levels, the bigger damage to your organs.
Thanks BigThing,
I did some research for herbal remedies to reduce BP, green tea came up on all of them, which is weird, because it IS high in caffeine. I'll cut that out, just to be on the safe side.
I gained about 7 pounds in the first 4 weeks, but then life got hectic, so I lost 3 pounds.
Not taking any ancillaries, but will add Nolvadex today.
I agree, I want to get a handle on this asap!
I'll spare you the lecture as to why it was a bad idea to run dbol for 4 weeks without bloods or ancillaries, because you are already well aware of that being a mistake.
I would try to limit your exposure to the heat and being out doors as much as possible because it can impact your BP and CV system. Look into cassia seed as a supplement and or tea, they sell It at Asian markets. Also dont forget about taking magnesium, its natures form of a calcium channel blocker and works better than most herbal remedies.
I hope you get this resolved asap and you've learned something important here....
Are you sure the monitor is accurate. I had one that had me high as fuck. But it was off bad. And are you using the proper size cuff?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/home-blood-pressure-mo...
X2 the chick at my doctors office freaked out until she realized she had to use the big cuff, turns out my BP was just fine.
I have nothing else to say that hasn’t been said. You’d think at 58 you wouldn’t just go balls first into a test/deca/dbol cycle with no AI or even the idea that you’d need one. I guess it’s not just the kids that are too lazy to research?
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Well, no, I'm not sure. But... I've been going to 3 different Walmarts, the numbers are not all the same, but I go at different times of day, and they are all high.
Not sure about the cuff though. I can barely get my arm through that thing, obviously, that's the same problem at all locations, they all have the exact some devises.
Go to Walmart and buy a good bp monitor. With a xl cuff. And take it to the doctor to verify it's accurate. And then while you're there talk about what you need to do to get this under control. Oh and I'd be dropping the cycle until you have all this figured out.
RustyhookerEveryone below +2
I too wonder all thats been asked. Great jobs bros!
Fuck high BP, if everything is on point, which it should be if you’re running gear (check me out over on my high ground) it’s time to drop a compound or lower the dosages. It’s called the silent killer for a reason and BP shouldn’t be something to battle against, rather manage.
Post your diet also fella. Were you drinking soda a lot?
No kidding, silent alright! I'm glad I was getting those headaches, giving me a heads up that something was wrong.
Diet is not great, but high in protein, fairly low in salt, usually good carbs, not enough calories (about 2500 a day)
I had a Rockstar plus 3 sodas a day, but cut that out about 10 days ago.
Soda. That shit's probably more toxic than the dbol. Anything you can clean battery cables with shouldn't be in your body. If you log one in your my fitness pal app it will give you a warning...that's how much sugars in one can.
I agree. I usually had one Rockstar a day, plus 2-3 cans of soda a day. I cut that out the moment I saw my BP going through the roof.
You need to get a blood panel immediately. Do not take any sort of stimulant what so ever, reduce your salt intake as much as possible.
What ancillaries are you on and what are your doses?
What's your water intake? Its summer, are you sweating a lot and or outside in dry heat?
I definitely need to get the blood panel.
I'm not taking any stimulants, cut out all sodas. I don't drink or smoke.
I'm not sure how to handle the salt part... I live in AZ, it's 100+ F every day, so I sweat a lot, and do need the salt.
No ancillaries at this point, but I'll add Nolvadex today.
Not enough water, all liquids combined, maybe a gallon a day. I know I should have at least a gallon of water a day, plus whatever else I'm drinking.
I see zero notes on your AI or DA use. Did I miss them?
Aromasin?
Arimidex?
Letro?
Caber?
Prami?
Where is your estrogen? You took a bunch of aromatizing compounds all at once so I’m betting it’s sky high.
Good point. I haven't taken any. I've got some Ameridex and Nolvadex.
I haven't done any blood work this time, so I wouldn't even know where my estrogen is at.
I usually wait until after the cycle, but I'll add some estrogen blockers, and get that in check.
Thanks for the input!
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Does your bp run high off cycle? Are you tracking macros? I would monitor it. High bp can cause kidney damage and host of other things if left untreated ..
Sam, I wish I had checked it before I started the cycle, unfortunately I didn't! :-/
I hear you loud and clear, been trying hard to get it down, but don't want to be stuck on meds.
Revamp diet. Post what your are eating. BF 15% plus dbol equals high estro. Lower your test dose and consider discontinuing, and/or decreasing nandrolone.
What carbs are you eating? Low glycemic index carbs are the best.
I'd get BW and possibly think about donating a unit of blood.
If you continue to cycle and BP stays elevated, you'll probably need BP medication.
Your pulse pressure needs to stay between 40-60mmHg.
Thank you!
I'm usually low on my calories intake, probably only 2500 a day. I'm keeping my proteins at around 200 gram/day. I eat mainly chicken (grilled) and lately been eating a lot of fish (mainly sardines in oil, super salty, I know). I stick to complex carbs like whole wheat bread.
Haven't done a blood dump, taking baby Aspirin every day.
My pulse has been around 90, not sure what mmHg means?
Have you gone to ER, yet? You have a current BP for today? What's your plan, sir?