New Cycle - Mass/Bulk - Not new to cycling but new to this cycle
Ok, so basics, this is a first time post but I have been reading and learning and training for a few years now (maybe 2+) I am long term Test treatment with my doctor – prior medical condition, my test levels are always kept around 650 (average) through pellets. Now covering this my only cycle experiences have been 2 cycles….. One cycle I added some extra Test C weekly, like 300mgs, just to get a boast beyond my normal levels. My second cycle (8 weeks) was using Tren – A at 100mgs EOD and 400mgs Test C (at 200 M/F). I got some amazing results in leaning down over 18 lbs, 7 or more percent body fat, diet was clean, training was awesome, it was a great experience. Anyway, it just ended about 2 weeks ago and what I am noticing is my base muscle mass for when I lean down is not where I want it to be, I want to start a bulking cycle (size/mass/muscle building focus) around Sept. Figure I will take the cycle as far out as 16 weeks if my numbers support it (I will run labs each month just to make sure all is well) Anyway, not knowing what I still kind of don’t know I would like some feedback on my proposed cycle below – don’t hold back on comments, yes I know were all different so it has to be considered in all feedback but the thing is, I don’t know really what the most reasonable (and optimal) levels might be on these items, and maybe even name brands, sources, or even if I am missing something – also note PCT is questionable for me since my test – pellets are always in my system, so the added test will generally take me from a total base test of 650 to 1300, not factoring in any effects of NPP mind you if any.
Thanks in advance, (If the table doesn't come through right the image in the link should help http://prntscr.com/jsza9n )
Per Dose Amount Frequency Total Dose Total Weeks Total # of Weeks
NPP (M/W/F) - Measurements (mgs) 150 3 450 1 to 14 14.00
Test - Cyp (M/F) - Measurements (mgs) 300 2 600 1 to 12 12.00
200 2 400 12 to 14 2.00
200 1 200 14 to 16 2.00
HGH (IUs) (M - early cycle - and M/F - at 2X cycle time) 2 1 2 1 to 3 3.00
3 1 3 4 to 6 3.00
2 2 4 6 to 9 3.00
2.5 2 5 9 to 12 3.00
May NOT go this high* (Stay at 5 for 12 tp 15 weeks) 3 2 6 12 to 15 3.00
Aromasin (Exemestane) (ED) 12.5mgs/ED
Cabergoline (EOD) 025mg/EOD
PCT
Clomid (Thought not thought to be needed since I am on HRT lifelong from genetic issues at a young age)
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RustyhookerAge: 42
Height: 68
Weight: 171
BF: 10
Adhd bro. Cant read your layout at all
1-12 xchem xyzmg/wk
1-12 ychem yuo-mg/wk
basskiller89I lost 10 minutes of my life on this post
Not sure if it's how it came through on the post but click the image link it should seem clear
http://prntscr.com/jsza9n
RustyhookerYou want free help...post it. Im not hitting click bait.
Feeling like a bacon lettuce and tomato
Thanks, not sure about the click bait, perhaps you mean they link, sorry about that the way i posted the cycle came out a little messed up so i figured a screenshot of the spreadsheet would read better. Lesson Learned
Here's the cycle I am going to start in September - Any suggested change ups in doses or timeing would be welcome. On of my bigger questions is more so the use of NPP VS a DBOL/Deca run - seems both have different timelines for effectiveness kicking in and side effects. With exception of the Camber (Which I have never used, and the NPP - which i felt drove the need for Camber) the rest of the items I am familiar with from what doctors have had me on from preexisting conditions.
Cycle
NPP - (M/W/F) @ 150mgs
Test - Cyp (M/F) @ 300mgs
HGH - (M/F) @ 2ius (maybe 2.5ius)
Aromasin (Exemestane) (ED) 12.5mgs/ED -
Cabergoline (EOD) 025mg/EOD
PCT would be clomid thought this is something i am typically always on as just part of my normal TRT therapy
RustyhookerPix and stats suggest that the cycle is quite large for you. Modifying foods will add bulk, mass, muscle on even a small cycle.
Pct on trt....youre on trt so its not needed.
Either route it looks way overkill. Rework the foods to grow.
Test 500 with provi.
Check bloods week 5 to see ai needs
Hgh...sure.
What IS your trt consist of?
Thanks for the response,
Your spot on, from my reading I didn’t think any PCT was really needed, my TRT treatment is as follows
Usually about 10 pellets, slow release runs over 4 months, and repeat, labes are done every 4 to 6 weeks as requested. Test Cyp is added to bring the numbers up if I am feeling off, but usually never over a total T level of 800, maybe 825…….
As part of my TRT regiment my doctor has be using about 2IUs (Sometimes 3IUs) a day, mainly for health and well being, I have had low T since I was 18 due to my cancer and not doing the treatment for almost 18 years didn’t do great things but I wanted kids and sterility was a big deal for me so I pushed off as long as I could, So now at about 42 I have been on TRT for about 3 years, as I am sure you know its made great differences that’s for sure. And there is a mix of anastrozole in the shots themselves which left me wondering if I needed the Aromasin as my reading tells me they do the same thing, only the dose I have now is mainly for what I am using at the moment on Test…..
Now all this said, I did a cycle, about 8 to 9 weeks using Tren – A and overall it was a great experience, obviously diet and kicking ass in the gym every day made the real difference but I dropped some nice weight and leaned out nicely. My hope was for this cycle I am planning in a few months was to try something different. I was going to try some of the Dbol/Deca cycles I have read but most my reading says NPP would be easier on some levels and less impact (from a side effects perspective) than Tren A, which amazingly enough from the side effects side it wasn’t much no real mood changes or anything, and I had bumped my Test numbers up to the 500mgs a week, using 250 M/F Set my total Test number measured in at 1300 which was I figured not too high but in line on the lower levels of what I have read.
In the end the only really new item I am adding into much of what my doctor already has me on is extra Test and the NPP, I could always go back to the Tren – A but felt from my reading the NPP was better for adding size overall where Tren was great for cutting and shredding down (and it certainly was for me.) Is the NPP amount maybe too high, or cycle maybe too long? Those are the things I wonder about. Last year I got up to just at 200 and leaned out to 171 so its there to be done I know that, I was looking for the extra kick to enhance the training and improve the bodies efficiency in how it using the food and nutrients from the intake, less going to fat and more going to protein synthesis.
My thanks again man for the responses, I could use the help making the cycle fit best for the goals, I prefer not to just pull down some of the other cycles and go at based on others numbers.
RustyhookerUnless youre going to compete theres a few easy routes. Meaning, eat and grow versus slave to the pin.
Test 250 x 2 a week with provi.
Stick with trt doses and hit primo 400-600 a week
Trt dose and 400 eq.
It wont take much to add 10 solid if you run the foods right. Just keep up on your bloods to adjust adex as needed...if needed. Donate your blood every 60 days as dr or bloods dictate. Eat healthy. Its the gym intensity thatll get ya bigger. Youre 10% so you know the routine.
basskiller89that helped clear it up
I would probably just run 500mgs of test c a week brother, not sure why you want npp and caber added in
I think maybe my post is confusing alot of people and for that my apologies, I have been on Test for 15 years, via pellets, at general doses of 700 and up with slow release over the 3 to 4 month period, leaving me with a normal total test measurement of about 650 on average. When i run a test cycle, (Meaning adding to the pellets i usually only add 500mg a week, Test C, which brings those numbers up sometimes around 1200 to 1300. So there might be a thought that test cycles are new bot they are old hat here and medical monitored mind you. My experience out of the prescribed realm was strictly with Tren A, and it was for a short 8 or so week cutting cycle, it worked great, all liver and blood tests were awesome, tested about every 3 weeks and post and pre cycle (Good medical benefits ;) ) Even the use of the HGH has been prescribed and covered and normal. The only really new thing is the NPP, which I was going to try VS the Tren A because I was to go heaver in gaming more muscle and strength VS leaning out. The Camber I put in there strictly for any possible prolactin issues, if i don't need it than i wouldn't use it. the Aromasin, clomid, many names i guess, will be a constant treatment also issued by my Endo doctors. So the short version here is, with exception of NPP and the Camber everything is doctor regulated and prescribed, doses varying but they will help set them based on how i feel and blood work. I rather focus on knowing more on thoughts of the cycle itself as I have seen many like this, may recommend different doses and changes, or duration of use for each item, etc.... so what are the thoughts in those area's.
Honestky, I think you’re getting ahead of yourself. You haven’t really experienced a good old fashioned test cycle yet. Close, but not quite, then you went straight for the tren.
You can accomplish a hell of a lot with just test, solid nutrition, and a program that fits your goals.
Shawn0712,
Thanks for the insight and perspective, I probably should have included some other data now in hindsight. As for things in this cycle most are not new to me, my endo doc has had me on HGH and Clomid as part of the overall endo management treatment from my long term conditions (since a teenager) and all my numbers are tested monthly, some things daily like BP and such. Most of what can be taken will be taken via doctors orders and a script, dosages will be adjusted from my normal doses to the ones proposed with some variations depending on what lab results continue to show but most will be pharma grade and doctor prescribed (except the NPP of course) I think perhaps I should have said that all up front as it does set for a difference in my overall experience and how this is managed medically. The only two items I have no experience with really is the NPP and Aromasin (Exemestane) (ED) 12.5mgs/ED and Cabergoline (EOD) 025mg/EOD (Thought to me its just an alternative to clomid anyway but i could be wrong) So with all this said, its great to hear the concerns and support on how far or much this might be for what could be considered an individual going into the deep end but its not that deep and i have a great staff of doctors fullly aware of the effort, purpose, and where i want to go with it, fortunately i can say that's not always something i see so many seem to have so its a rather big blessing to me.
I agree.