.02 cents on my next cycle
Hey guys, starting my next cycle in April and just looking to get some feedback from some of you as this is where I’ve always gone for my info.
Some backround info on my. I’m 27 years old, 5’10 tall, 200lbs and 18% bf. Been lifting for about 7 years now. This will be my 5th cycle. First and 2nd cycles were test e/Deca. Third one was test e/ EQ. My most recent one was about a year ago and it was 800mg Test E, 500mg Deca, and 50 mg dbol for 6 weeks. Never really had any issues except I got a little Gyno in my right nip on my last cycle and it still gets a little sensitive.
Anyways, I’m looking to do a lean bulk this time around as beach season is right around the corner. I know diet is the most important part and I’ve already gotten tests done such as bodpod and RMR (resting metabolic rate), etc. and getting a diet plan put together by the organization that did these tests for me just to make sure I maximize my diet. My cycle so far looks like this....
Wks 1-10 Tren E @ 400mg a week
Wks 1-14 Test E @ 600mg week
Wks 1-14 EQ @ 600mg a week
Wks 1-6 T-bol @ 50mg ed
Wks 1-2, 5-6, 9-10, 13-14 Clen @ 40-80mg ed
Wks 2-11 caber @ .5mg e3d
Wks 1-16 Aromasin @ 12.5mg ed
Wks 17-20 Nolva @ 40/40/20/20
Wks 17-20 Clomid @ 100/50/50/50
I know you are not supposed to take Nolva with Tren but I wouldn’t be taking it until roughly 7 weeks after my last Tren injection so I believe it will be fine. Open to suggestions though. I also read that people always just say to have the Caber on hand but rather than just holding on to if for emergencies, I’m just going to take it right off the bat. Better to pre pro active than re active in my own opinion. Thanks guys and look forward to hearing what you’ve got to say. I know there’s a lot of you out there that will blow me away with your knowledge base on this.
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I’d leave out the Clen, too many side effects for me. But that is how I react. You won’t need it at the start either save the shaking and palpitations until the end lol
I saw where you were a 11B ranger. I was a 12B/82nd Airborne in Fort Bragg Nc years ago. Best times of my life. Fr sent.
Oh nice. I never ended up over at the 82nd mothership. Spent my first few years over in the 173rd, then ended up at Fort Lewis.
Right off the top Id drop the tren. You don't need it risk vs reward. Just put in extra time an a little more hard work and you'll get the same results without all the negative sides. Its really a tool for the more advanced guys. Not saying your not advanced but I don't think your doing comps or trying to go Pro. There's a saying keep it simple @#$€+$. And less is always more my friend.
Thanks for looking out man and the solid advice. I decided to go ahead and listen to what you and the previous guys have already said. Dropping the Tren and Clen. Just going to run Test E @ 600/wk and EQ @ 600/wk for 20 weeks. Kick starting it wit some T-bol for 6 weeks but that’s it other than my PCT’s.
So your going to run a 5 month cycle for your fifth cycle at 27 years old?? Whats your next cycle going to look like? The one after that? I did stupid shit like that and now im on trt at 28 years old.
Smart and wise choice my man. That's what were all here for, to teach and to advise safety first. Dig in and really read and study the forums so much knowledge here to be learned if you want to learn. Guys busting your chops are the guys with the brains only trying to drive home proper knowledge so don't take it to heart. Reach out and ask questions only after you have tried to find the answers in the look up page that's where you'll find all the answers no one is or will spoon feed you so to say you have to do your part. Like rusty said below look at your diet and adjust from there. You can stick a pin in your ass 24/7 365 and never grow a inch unless your diet is in check. FOOD IS THE BEST AND ULTIMATE SUPPLIMENT BY FAR. Friend request some of the brains around here like Rusty and Makaw and some others they can and will point you in the right direction brother. Play it safe and best of luck bro.
Double post sorry.
RustyhookerSo if you were lean, 5-10 @ 180. Gotta fix that diet first.
You have a ran quite a few hard core cycles to be at 200lbs and 18% BF. I think you need to get back to the basics and get a training and diet to match what you are trying to accomplish. Running multi-compound stacks isn't the answer for you so get back to the basics and do those right and you should be able to accomplish what you want.
Also, this is why I am waiting until April because I know my BF is on the high side. I feel pretty confident I can lose 1.5 to 2 lbs a week for the next 7-8 weeks before starting.
Thanks brother. I’ve got my weight lifting regiment down and getting the diet dialed in. I know my cardio these last few months have been pretty much non existent and I know that’s the wrong answer. Hearing that from all you guys on here is exactly what I needed to get re committed to it.
I can help you if you sincerely want help..... meaning what would be the safest & most effective?
Yeah let’s hear it Jarhead. It won’t be wasted or in one ear and out the other.
Honestly all you need is Test & Eq, & if you can’t reach your goal with that then nothing else would be any more effective. It would benefit you greatly to get your bf down to 15% before starting as well. Again if you can’t get down 3% with diet & exercise, then nothing else will help you either. One of my favorite long ester cycles is Test & Eq & it is effective at cutting bf while slowly adding nice gains. Simple but very effective cycle Brother In Arms. You won’t have to worry about the possibility of such nasty sides to combat either. I like my Test 500mg-600mg & my Eq 800mg-900mg per week for 20 weeks. If you really wanted an oral, I would save it for the end of the cycle to help tighten & finish you up & I would go with Anavar. It won’t be too much if you start with the tbol as proposed to kickstart for 4-6 weeks & then close with the Var also. Honestly, you really don’t need an oral though.
I’ve used clen & it’s very harsh & side effects are horrible, so to me it’s not worth it for you. It’s not magic like some make it out to be in burning fat. If you really want to run it no matter what, I’d go with albuterol instead. It’s as effective & less harsh with a lot less sides.
For you future information, don’t take a DA such as caber from the get go. It also can have serious side effects & only needs to be taken if problems arise.
As for your AI, don’t start it immediately either. Wait till week 3 or 4 & start with a mild dose to see how it goes.
Stay away from tren for awhile Bro. There’s just no need for it right now & it’s not going to benefit you greatly along side the Eq anyways. Tren can have very uncomfortable sides & when taking a long ester, it will take weeks before you can subside any negative sides. Not worth it. When you do finally reach a point where you’re experienced enough to give tren a try, start with a short ester cycle.
Test E 500-600mg & EQ 800-900mg per week for 20 weeks... safe & very effective
I hear you man. I did test e and EQ before and loved it. Wks 1-18 Test e @ 500 and wks 1-18 EQ and 600 and was very pleased. With my job though, I can never guarantee that i’ll Have 20 weeks uninterrupted though so it’s very hard to have a succefull cycle for longer than 12 weeks. You know how it is, half the time we don’t even know what’s going on next month, let alone 4-5 months out.
I originally had Anavar planned out for the end of the cycle I’m looking at taking now but honestly just took it off due to the price. I know Winstrol is a cheaper alternative but when I took it in the past it dried out my elbows and knees really bad. Also I didn’t want to add in 2 new things into my cycle as I’ve never taken anavar or Tren so I just went with the Tren over the Var. maybe I will switch it though and when I drop the Tren, get some Var instead with the money I’d save.
I d already decided against the Clen though. I will definitely be dropping that. But that’s for the info with the Caber. I always heard to just save it rather than just take it right off the bat and now I understand the reasoning behind it so thanks. As for the AI I wasn’t planning on starting it until week 2 but I can definitely hold off until week 3 or 4 if you believe that makes more sense. I just was trying to play it safe and start it early because my last cycle definitely suffered from a little Gyno near the end of it so I know I can tend to be prone to it. But I’m sure you just eat your orange crayons for your PCT jarhead and your good to go.
Still not sure what I’ll do exactly but I’ll definitely drop the Clen, hold off on starting the Caber, and wait a few weeks before starting the AI. Thanks for the solid advice Jarhead.
If you can’t do a 20 week cycle, run Test E @ 600mg per week for 12-14 weeks. I will reiterate this again for your best benefit, do not run the Tren E! You have no idea how your body will respond to tren & again it will take several weeks due to the long ester for any negative sides to subside. Why are you stuck on tren man? I’m telling you from experience. I have run tren & I have run tren & eq together.... you’re setting yourself up for a potential bad experience. I promise you, if you can’t reach your goals with test or test & Eq, you cannot reach them period.
Read this bro & research some posts here before you make a mistake
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/simple-cycles-wi...
P.s. I love crayons;-))
That was a great post man. And some good comments on it as well. It’s good to see real guys like you post like that rather than the all to often “your cycle is weak” or guys trying to be big dogs talking about taking 1,000’s of mgs a week.
It’s not that I don’t think I can accomplish my goals with just Test and EQ. Because I’ve taken that in the past and loved the results. It’s just that mentality of if I was able to see such results off of Test and EQ, then just imagine the possibilities if I threw in some Tren. I know that may not be the best mentality or the smartest, it’s just I love seeing what my body is capable of doing. and I know I run the possibility of potentially bad side effects, but I also have the potential for something incredible and I won’t know until I try. I get it, more is not always better and maybe I’m not ready for it yet. These comments are sticking with me and I don’t want you thinking your talking to a wall or just wasting your breathe. It’s just the thoughts of grandeur in my head of what I could become are overpowering the thoughts of the negative things that could possibly happen.
Tren is not everything it’s pumped up to be. For a first tren run, tren e will never be suggested. The biggest affect tren has on me is my ability to breathe. I can’t breathe at all during cardio & have a hard time breathing when working out period. The physiological affect that it has on a lot of people is also something to be feared & respected. Tren has a high binding affinity which means it will hog to bind to receptors which will also leave test unbound... that unbound test has a high possibility of converting to estrogen. Estrogen that is too high or too low has the same side effects & both will leave you drained of all energy & many more sides. Again, due to the long ester in Tren E, it will take at the least a few weeks to subside any negative side effects.
Hashtag1981Based on everything you said ..and what many people...why the hell would anyone want to use Tren? Its not a performance enhancing drug, but a cosmetic enhancing drug. The sides make it unbearable for most ..so does it really "work"? What is the definition of a steroid that "works"?
Rustyhooker^^^^^nailed it! Its just a tool in our tool box bro. Just gotta know that it can bite back.
Definition of a steroid that works? You know how it feels on just plain old test e? Confident, happy, strong and gym focused..... toss in great foods. It can really be that simple.
Thanks for taking the time and contributing to a good post. Its nice to see the ideas bounced around and come to an awesome solution for the op
Thanks brother :-)
After talking to you and @RangerVet I think what I’ll do is drop the Tren and Clen. Also the Caber since I won’t be taking the Tren. I heard Tren has that affect on your ability to breathe so that was one of the reasons I was looking at the Clen. With the money I’m saving from the Tren I’ll either invest it into more test and EQ so I can run those for longer or keep those at at 14 weeks and get some Var to end my last 6 weeks with.
So
Wks 1-14 Test E @ 600 a week
Wks 1-14 EQ @ 600 a week
Wks 1-6 tbol @ 50mg ed
Wks 9-14 Anavar @ 50mg ed
Wks 4-14 Aromasin @ 12.5 ed or 25 eod
Wks 17-20 Nolva @ 40/40/20/20
Wks 17-20 Clomid 100/50/50/50
Or, the same cycle but drop the Anavar and just extend the Test and EQ for another 4 weeks if my work schedule allows it.
Good choices brother. Im a new tren user and probably an old tren user as I will prob not use it again. I ran tren A 50mg daily and it killed my brrathing, but it also made me a major asshole. I tolerated that, and the higher bp as long as I could then dropped it. If I had tried the enanthate I would have been screwed. The ace was out in a couple days and I was back to normal. ++ for taking and using good advice.
Thanks for the input man. Glad to hear it worked out for you though.
See Rusty’s comment below... I wasn’t even thinking but bold cyp would be better than eq in your case due to the possibility of not being able to go 18-20 weeks. It has a shorter ester & kicks in faster so you don’t have to run it as long.
I would drop the Var if need be & plan to run 20 weeks of test & eq. If you get moved or something pops up, oh well, but if not then the Eq is much more effective at 20 weeks & really lets the Eq shine with the extra 4 weeks. The ester in Eq is extremely slow & allows for slow & steady gains which are easier to keep. One more suggestion. I would start the Aro at eod & see how it goes. You don’t want to crash your e2 & you need some estrogen for gains also. Great looking cycle brother!
RustyhookerBold cyp instead....
Perfect!
Boom!!!! I’m not sure why I didn’t think of that, but great catch Bro!! If you can’t go 18-20 weeks, definitely go with bold cyp due to the shorter ester!!!
RustyhookerIts still kinda the odd duck in terms of common gear types. Npp was around at least a decade before i saw folks start posting cycles for it. Lol!
That’s perfect!
Thanks for all the input and help. You guys really made this a positive experience. I’ve always heard that with the EQ but have never been able to run it for longer than 12 with work. I loved it at 12 so I could only imagine 18-20 weeks. Hopefully i’ll be free for that long of time. So with the Aro, would you start out at 12.5 eod or 25 eod? Also, still wait 4 weeks for the PCT?
I’m not real sensitive to e2, so for me I can take 6.25 eod. If you’re sensitive, I’d do 12.5 eod & see how it goes. Yes sir, I would wait 4 weeks to pct due to the Eq & have enough Aro on hand to take during pct if need be. It wouldn’t hurt for you to pick up some hcg as well. It would definitely help with recovery if you add it in towards the end of cycle.
Alright. I’ll start off at 12.5 eod. I’ve got more than enough to run it until the end of my PCT I was just under the impression that it was counter intuitive to take during PCT along with Nolva and Clomid.
I wouldn’t take it throughout pct, but have some Incase of an estrogen rebound.
Keep us updated brother!
Got it! I definitely will brother. You really changed my perspective on the whole thing.
You won’t regret it man... +2 for taking sound advice
I’m still a little bummed, but I know it’s exactly what I needed to hear and I know I won’t be disappointed. I just get really excited when getting a cycle ready and I know I can tend to want to over due it or bite off more than I should.
I was the same way when I was young bro... experience has taught me many things.... some the hard way!
Same here
Give it to him he needs it brother
holy shit cowboy!
you don't need a 5th cycle all u need is a good diet and training/cardio!
set you achievable goals, search for a trustful person who helps you, don't run anything, do bloods only to check your general healthcare and e2 level.
Any other advices aren't necessary!
good luck!
Appreciate it man. Thanks for your input.
Hard workouts, a good diet, patientce and an iron mentality are the keys for success in this sport!
stay safe man and stay away from roids (at least for the next time) !
Let's help this soldier with his cycle guys. If u need anything I'm here for you anytime with anything, just pm me.
Thanks ranger. I’ll definitely keep you in the loop. When I finally decide on what I’m going to do I’ll definitely run it by you first. I think I’ll stay away from the clen simply due to all the training we do.
basskiller89Sounds good to me
Brother, jokes aside, you're attempting to run more gear than you need, by a lot
I strongly believe that a beginner cycle with an AI on hand would prove to be more than beneficial for a 12-16 week cycle. There is no need for massive amounts of gear here
Aha that’s a good one. But for real, thanks for the honest advice rather than just telling me I’m an idiot. I see it to often on here where guys just talk trash but don’t offer any wisdom in return. Appreciate it. I’ll definitely take it into consideration.