+ 2 I'M GOING TO GET FLAMED FOR THIS
When I was younger, I fucked up really bad, and as a result, I went to prison for 12 years. Twelve straight years of confinement in a prison where pumping iron was something almost everybody did. I developed quickly and was soon nicknamed "Baby Hulk" and "Little Lou" due to the fact that with my beard, I looked almost identical to Lou Ferrigno in the face (when Lou had his beard), and I had a build that was as good or better than almost anyone in the entire prison of 2500 guys...and I kept that status for my entire stay. During my 12 years there, I saw thousands and thousands of guys come and go--some staying longer than others, and I realized that since nobody was juicing (trust me, it was tough just to score some weed, and back then steroids weren't as prevalent) that I must have had decent genetics. And with an unstoppable hook shot on the basketball court, the brothers always swore that I must have had some black blood in me somewhere down the family tree.
But out here on the "line", I'm not even the best guy in my gym now. We've got 3 guys who are competitive bodybuilders, and although I've got better guns than all three of them, they've got the total package. My delts lag....my upper chest not there yet...I could use bigger forearms.
I don't want to be a bodybuilder---I just want bodybuilders I come across to think that I could kick their ass with a 6 week cutter anytime I wanted. I don't want to be a bodybuilder because I don't WANT to eat chicken and rice and Tilapia 6 times a fucking day, and if I'm going to do something, I'm going to go all the way with it, so as soon as insulin comes into it (and it has to if you're going to win at a high level), then I'm as good as dead, because I don't WANT to count calories and watch my glucose. It's a hassle.
But that doesn't mean I don't want to look like bodybuilder---at least a bodybuilder in "off season". But in the 9 months I've been doing steroids, I am NOT impressed with what steroids are doing for me. And trust me, it's not the gear...it's not my diet---I eat great..and fairly clean, although as I said, I refuse to do a pre-contest diet. It's not my training---Training is one area I consider myself an expert on, even though I seldom write about it here on eroids.
No, the problem is me. After 30 years of training, my body comp is NOT impressed with the puny dosages that most gym rats run. Last fall I was running Test dosages as high as 1200 mg per week with hardly a pimple, and balls that would make Peter North jealous.
So I started doing some research. I wanted to know what the big boys are running, because I want to be a big boy too. And before any of you say..."Goth, if you aren't competing, you don't need to run that much gear...you're gonna fuck yourself up"....let me answer that right away by saying that I am competing. I compete every time I see another 20 year old punk who thinks he's gonna cut in front of me in line at Speedway; I compete every time I'm making eyes at a girl in a club; I compete every time one of our esteemed "bodybuilders" walks into our gym.
Why should the fact that I don't get paid money for my victories make any difference? Jay-fucking-Cutler doesn't want his body anymore than I want mine. In fact, now that he's warm, dry and comfy in his mansion, he may want it less.
The following are my revised dosages for the next 10 weeks. You might say it's a slight increase. But I'm not in this to be average, so there's no sense in an average-dosed cycle.
If you guys want to know where I got my info from, please ask. This is NOT on the pro-level by the way. I spent WEEKS researching that topic, and this is rather tame.
Pros are using 5-6000 mg per week of test ALONE, in addition to all the other compounds, IGF, HGH, insulin, and YES..MOST pros are now using synthol to some degree. If you don't believe it, that's up to you.
GOTHIC'S GRUESOME GEAR GAUNTLET:
Test E.....3000 mg. per week
Deca.......1000mg. per week
Test prop..150 mg. EOD
That may strike you as crazy, but pushing 500 mg into your glute once per week is soooo outdated. If you are young/new this is NOT meant for you. If you are responding well to your current dosages, this is NOT for you. If you wish to know where I got my info, please say so.
All of you know how I feel about sensible AAS use. You KNOW how I feel about Tren and oral-only cycles, and if I run into high BP or crazy sides, then I'll make adjustments. But I've ran 1500 mg test in the past from various labs and hardly flinched. I've NEVER even had to take ancillaries.
THIS POST IS MEANT TO SPARK DISCUSSION AMONG MEMBERS WHO ARE SEEKING SERIOUS BODIES...NOT COLLEGE KIDS AND 20 YEAR-OLD "PLAYAS" LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF ASS THIS SPRING AT THE BEACH.
Let the roast begin.
UPDATE....UPDATE.....UPDATE.....UPDATE......UPDATE.....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE.....UPDATE!!!!!!!
Well, here it is February of 2018---over 6 years since this post was made, and I have to tell you that my views about massive cycles have indeed changed.....or maybe just my body has. But in all honesty, I have found that while I did indeed get results from such cycles, I have also gotten great results from smaller cycles as well, Right now, I'm running about 1 cc of Test E twice per week, along with 1 cc of test prop 3 times per week, and 50mg of Anadrol per day. I only use the Anadrol about 4 weeks, then 8 weeks off. That's it. That's all I run, and it's all I need. No more Tren... no more Mast Prop (well, I might run some of that soon--- I LOVE that stuff!!)... no Deca. I feel great, and my 57th birthday is not far off. and believe it or not, I'm still holding 20" guns and as lean as ever. Don't ask me about the bio-science behind it because frankly, over the years, I've found that there is so much variation in humans, that NOTHING seems to apply to all. That includes training, diet, rest, and gear. We are all different and respond differently. Find what works for you and if possible find something that works with the least amount of AAS intrusion. We are ALL an experiment in progress and in a constant state of learning what works best. Be sensible... be wise... and maybe at least consider what my grandmother used to say--- "Moderation in all things is the key to life"
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Wtf you do to go to prison for 12 years?
While yes, life is a competition what you are doing is little more than massaging your own ego.
Taking that much gear to "compete" in life is unhealthy, dangerous, and ego driven.
First of all most "pros" are stupid and short sighted when it comes to their dosages and usage of all sorts of compounds. Second, youre no pro and state that you don't want to even be a "bodybuilder" Thirdly, you state, no 20 year old playas looking for a piece of ass........isn't that what you are exactly doing? Since everytime you "make eyes with a girl at the club" you are "competing"
I know this is an older thread but I hope some sensibility has entered in to this equation over the past time.
RustyhookerGoths sarcasm so thick someone needs to translate....
PepperonidaddyIf your taking that much juice. I hope who ever it is is intaking 10k calories a day at least.. At the end of the day it depends on your food intake. From the looks that is a bulk cycle.
Cant get too deep for the open boards imo but I’d like to share a couple of thoughts in general. I’d be lying if I said in 15+ years of aas usage I haven’t been to the same cross in the road a few times. Will more = better? Sometimes but not always. The more advanced I become the more I learn that everything works in sync (for me). Imo training, diet, recovery, and gear are all equal parts of my puzzle.
Genetics are a big variable. Some need more (less responsive), while others can get away with taking less. Why use/waste more than needed? 90%+ of the people on this board can grow/cut/look phenomenal off of less than a gram a week TOTAL androgen exposure.
This is something that has to be learned though. Only experience will verify everything above. Until one learns for them self that the results do not come solely from a bottle will they know that success lies in the hard work. What we give, not what we take...Let’s be real though, doesn’t it sound intriguing, “fuck you squat rack I took a gram this week instead of my usual 750mg so I’m good.”
I wish the prison i just came home from allowed us to work out. We had no gym and i was locked up 23hrs. I would make dumbell with 8 2litter soda bottle i use to buy at comasary. The turtles would bust them up everytime they did a shake down. We use to curl the stack of chairs in the dayroom and pull up on the heat pipes.
I had a good weight loss, While on vacation. I recently got back in the gym my Po is laying off a little. My next cycle is going to be a big boy cycle probably in sept. I want to know how this turns out goth
Area-1255Prison is one way to force motivation out of an otherwise Idle soul, unless you are really Idle!
Very Old thread (glad I came across it though) and likely based on "today's requirements" may need to be put in a private thread of some kind.
This is where many will differ on opinion but from having discussed with just a small number of Pros and BEASTS alike in the past, this is a commonly shared opinion.
Several are under the belief that GH is indeed as much as you can afford per day which then requires the CENSORED compound since you will need it for several reasons including helping nutrients get to where they need to along with ensuring that ones TEST dose is 2-2.5x the amount of ALL total remaining gear used.
5-6+GRMS a week total is there norm and when you are walking around at 230-300lbs (depending on height) in the off season while staying abnormally lean...it is sure hard to dispute when I don't see others capable of doing the same.
The nutrition is 5000-8000+ calories/day the training varies from either super heavy or the high volume and TUT methods that will require moderate training poundages only.
I brought this back up from years gone by in the hopes of GOTHIC and others who may have embarked on this journey that they would share more.
I've personally seen fairly drastic changes not only in my composition but total weight and as the numbers in all aspects have gone up...as does my weight with a very positive muscle to fat ratio.
Blood work is critical as is keeping an eye on BP etc. for anyone upping even in the smallest of increments.
I'm preparing mentally (and financially) to see about putting on 15-20lbs in the next several months which will put into serious "never been here before territory" and will be very difficult given the decades of experience I have and how the gains come much more slowly unless big changes occur.
I've read that several compounds like Test and EQ especially have remarkable increases in lean muscle mass once you hit past your particular plateau with the general conception being the 3GM-Test and 1.5-2GRM EQ markers in general.
Kind of how a newbie would react to their first cycle or two and why at 1200-1500mgs we hit our plateau (as Goth mentioned for himself) and why at 1800-2.5Grms not much seems to change than bam, 3Grms giving the next level in hyper muscular growth.
Everyone will be different of course and when I think about genetics in the sport I personally belief it is both the genetics in how your frame is and how well your muscle will look (full muscle bellies etc) as well as perhaps how well you can tolerate higher dosages of gear/compounds.
Many can use a little and start seeing very high negative side effects while others can adapt and use the extreme doses that cause the freak factor to be higher.
Look forward to hearing from Gothic and anyone else either on here or by PM if preferred.
RustyhookerThe era of when this post was written, big cycles were openly discussed, tweaked and modified. It was common.
Unfortunately, the typical forums today are 6ft tall at 175 but going to be ifbb. Trying to run pure insanity and bitching that our advice is holding them down.
I prefer a complex cycle over a big 2 item blowout. Average dosing of multiple chems. Some switched in and out. Ive posted many cycles in open forum or the two advanced groups. I dont typically post in an open forum because..... well, just read the forums.
Trying my best to find more talk on this kind of chat.
May have to start a new thread in the Advanced and go from there so we can ensure safety for all especially inexperienced users from seeing it.
RustyhookerIf the new folks listened or researched like they used to do.... its not a big deal. Especially since a guy with like 5 cycles and good build could easily take a 3gram cycle and lower the doses. Get the same complex stack boom but down at 1500mg.
If only Rusty.
It would be awesome to believe they would do that rather than the opposite. SMH.
Some are just looking for a reason to do an insane amount with ZERO experience from what I've seen on here.
Solid bump.
Never read this, holy fuck
Be careful brother as my saying that is selfish. Your threads make me laugh my ass off and I always need a laugh on this Tren ride I am on. Keep a keen eye on that blood pressure and I hope you got some nitro glycerin on hand. We are not 22 anymore my friend. Just keeeping an eye out bro thats all......and by the way make sure shes on top less stress and less work...
could not sleep last night after reading this post you really got under my skin with this,i praise you for having the balls to run this cycle i will be watching your progress very very closely especially thes sides you may experience,i am a like you to the point were i can use plenty of gear with no sides at all,maybe i am lucky in that respect or i use ancillaries correct,my point here is if you do OK on this cycle i will follow and give it a try,i would be grateful when you update if you could list any adjustments so i can log the whole event for my purposes and build a cycle plan,thanks goth and good luck i hope this works and you get the desired result....
i have heard people say that after a certain amount of aas you reach a point of diminishing returns due to the androgen receptor reaching a point of saturation, so you just get a increase in side effects with very, very high dosages... i would say a couple of grams of gear, like 2 or 3, is probably the point of saturation for most people. of course you could get by this by using compounds that do not bind very well to the androgen receptor and stimulate growth through non AR related means, such as anadrol, winstrol and dianabol. your best bet would probably be to add hgh and peps as opposed to upping the aas beyond the 2-3 gram mark. i dont think i will ever run more than 2 grams of gear a week myself...
Thanks eire... I have decided that if I cannot make substantial gains at this level via blast/cruise, then I am returning to "natural" training via TRT of 125-200 mg. test per week. My current HGH dose is 5 IU per day, and I will cut that down to 2 if I decide to leave the world of high-dose AAS, as 2 is considered useful for anti-aging purposes. I am waiting on feedback from the current cycle before deciding to increase HGH from 5 right now.
PandoraI personally can vouch for Adnormal.... I have seen photos from his youth prior to AAS. He is one of the blessed (lucky MF'r) few that was born with the envious anatomical physique that comes naturally with hard work. His AAS enhances what he was gifted with. He has made clean diet & exercise his life style from a young age. I personally have never met anyone who has got the unusual dedication to diet and iron. Don't assume some of these men who have been born with that genetic gift, are using dangerous doses of AAS. Mimicking their dosages will not get you to look like they do. There is no control over the genetics we were born with. Some men & women will over use to get what what they weren't born with. Will it get them there... doubtful.
good genetics nowadays mean good response to drugs and the ability to tolerate the sides ? maybe bone structure, aside from that, good musclebuilding genetics only play a major role for the natural athlete, i guess.
I don't know what a "dangerous" dose is, and neither does anyone else since they have never been shown in ANY definitive study to be so at dosages of 5,6, or even seven grams per week. If they were that dangerous at 3 grams, there would be bodies piled to the rafters. What I do know, is that no matter HOW gifted someone is, they are NOT going to compete at a high level with out massive dosages of AAS.
And you're right, mimicking their doses is not going to make me look like they do---mainly because I have no intention or desire to take all the other drugs they do, including insulin and synthol.
Brother, I am NOT a BB nor do I even want to look like one... my goals are to play beat the clock with mother nature and to remain "formidable". In fact I'm just looking to maintain form with that little extra "Ooomph". I like the way I look and like the fact that visually the steroids question leaves a great big "?" One of the MANY reasons I stay away from orals, I don't need that vanity "push" in the beginning by blowing the fuck up!
Good for you Goth for understanding your goals (long and short) and doing the work involved to figure out what you need to do to accomplish them. A challenge in and of itself and something (IMO) is lacking on this site as well as at the gym (at least MY gym)
I was expecting an ass-chewing from you..:)
To be honest, it's entirely possible I may end up at 2 grams...or 2.5....or 1.8...or nothing more than TRT----the next 2-3 weeks are critical and will tell me some things I need to know.
Brutha, a HUGE under rated aspect of AAS is learning your body... No one can say these compounds at these doses will do this for you... it's speculative at best. There are too many individual variables involved. THAT is why paying attention to your body is so fucking important. Believe me your body will let you know if your pushing the boundaries and/or crossing the line. If you are completely locked into maximum gains then THIS is where things can start to go wrong... as it has been said countless times on this board... Slow and steady wins THIS race
this is a quote from BFG, he claims to be a top professionnal on an other board:
"Perusing this board I couldnt help but notice the constant references to "cycles" with relatively low levels of testosterone, complaints about how testosterone makes you look "puffy," how other anabolics are so much superior to testosterone and even read someone suggest trenbolone as a first cycle.
If you have zero interest in becoming a successful bodybuilder then by all means pursue drug stacks with low - or zero - testosterone.
The fact of the matter is testosterone is the single most important drug in bodybuilding. First off, the concept of "cycles" is a terrible idea if you are trying to develop an outstanding physique. Do not ever come off testosterone, this should be common sense. You need higher testosterone levels than the human male will naturally produce to maintain - and obviously build - an impressive amount of muscle mass. A typical pro (or any successful bodybuilder for that matter) would have an offseason drug stack based around the "blast and cruise" concept. For example:
Weeks 1-12
4,000mg testosterone in various esters
200mg TNE pre workout
100mg dbol pre workout
100mg anadrol pre workout
1,050mg trenbolone acetate per week
2,000mg equipoise
1,050mg npp
1,000mg deca durabolin
32iu serostim daily
IM 15iu humalog prior to every meal
IM 30iu humalog prior to training
120mcg IGF-1 injected bilaterally in muscles trained
Weeks 13-16
2,000mg testosterone in various esters
16iu serostim daily
1,000mg equipoise
1,000mg deca durabolin
REPEAT to some degree, changing varying drug doses etc.
The point is that testosterone is necessary in large doses to promote muscle growth and size and to maintain that same muscle. In fact, there are a number of current pros whose offseason drugs are simply testosterone, deca, hgh and insulin. Trenbolone, equipoise, etc. often have an extremely amplified effect on metabolism and make it harder to gain weight when testosterone assists in letting most nutrients go into muscular (and yes, fat) storage.
The biggest bodybuilders are on the most testosterone, end of story."
this pretty matches what you said,but would you have to bump hgh to 10-15 iu a day rather than increasing the amount of steorids alone. guess its about 5 iu per gram of test.
a common quote from several pros seems to be: "steroids - use what you like, hgh - use as much as you can afford."
the guy also has very intresting protocols for insulin, seos, contest prep. insane compounds and dosages, but intresting nevertheless.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=40346;sa=showPos...
i just realized his cruise is already 4 gramms
LOL...OK, that week 1-12 regemine scares even me..lol
That is not me!
you do more ? ;)
on a side note, i reread his posts on the other board, and he hasnt been an ifbb competitor, "just" a top national competitor who missed his pro card a couple of times.
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tread-mWell I have spent nearly 3 hours writing a novel in here and deleting it and starting over! Its this...AEROK. HATE TO GO THERE AND YES i know, you are you and not him. He may have thought the same thing. I just can't be on record encouraging this knowing that if something goes very wrong I would not want that evil on me Ricky Bobby! Think about this brother and have bp meds on hand in case you need to buy some time. I hope everything works out for you and you get everything you want out of it and throw it in my face, I really do. I just can't encourage it, in fact, I hope its one of your jokes.
But tread...Aerok's cause of death is unconfirmed, and he was a newb experimenting with (we think) insulin.
Look at my dosages compared to what ten of THOUSANDS of bodybuilders, powerlifters and other athletes are taking just in this country alone---I'm not even close to what they are doing.
If I see crazy BP or anything like that I'm backing down.
tread-mHe was on cycle 3, yes thats a newb but you know as well as I do, we make excuses for ourselves when we want somkething bad enough. Even a new car we rationalize how fuel efficient it is and how much money we save on parts and on and on...Not trying to compare you there to AEROK just popped into my head brother. I guess the bp thing is what concerns me most on this. Watching bp and backing down may be famous last words of many. Cousin of mine had bp go apeshit, I mean stroke levels, recently and was fortunate to have meds on hand so do that at least. Not judging you BTW, just concerns me when I see this stuff. You're 48 man, we're not kids anymore and shit can get us in trouble maybe quicker than a younger body. You're a smart guy , you'll figure it out.
Trust me Bro, I don't want to do 3 grams of test. Just the pinning itself is a hassle. But 12-1500 per week does absolutely nothing to me or for me. So running test at that dose is no longer an option.
I'm either going to get results from this, or I'm going to quit completely, other than TRT. But I'm not going to keep running 1200 per week, when I can get better results from a jug of creatine.
Rest assured BP will be up and I forget what its called but it happened to me, basically after I came off that high dose test cycle my BP never went down, not for over a month. I was told to go to the hospital and get put on meds by one of the brothers on here that the same thing happened to him. At 1500mg/w I was at 185 over 120 consistant. on several occasions trying to sleep I could feel it in my chest and couldnt get that fucking thumping noise out of my ear. Truthfully for me ive used shit tons of drugs and I think I was expecting some sort of feeling, when I didnt get it and wasnt seeing gains I upped my dose. It really didnt matter brother nothing is different, I dont believe you are gonna see any difference in gains, especially on test and deca, I would believe your gains much better running 5 different compounds at low doses. But experience is only gathered by doing! ;)
At 1500 mg I was at 113 over 68. That's what gets me. I tried gear from 3 different labs and never got any sides. I don't want to do crazy doses...I just want to use enough to make gains.
Tren???--That's a whole different story. Drove my BP through the roof.
Seems "paying attention" is as obvious and elusive as diet these days
I had that idea in the beginning, thinking that steroids where the reason I wasnt gaining, that by doing more id grow, so I upped my D-bol from 50mg/d to 100mg/d and my test from 750mg/w to 1500mg/w and my deca doubled as well and that was my first experience with more is not better cause nothing changed but the sides, BP and insomnia and feeling of nausea, but I didnt grow any faster or put on anymore weight. It wasnt the gear for me it was diet, training, receptor blocked or shutting down, even with my cycle now I can tell not everything is spot on cause ive stopped growing again, for me its figuring out what it is that is wrong cause I know from experience its not the gear. I think we are much alike in some aspects, and until you find out for yourself your not gonna listen, I didnt either! I wouldnt just jump into that many mg/w cause you might find you REALLY dont like the feeling it gives you, atleast the test, the deca dosage aint nothing theres really no sides from it even at the dose. Keep us posted....
I KNEW I'd be in trouble when you got here..lol
Yep...nothing is set in stone, and if I see any kind of sides that are excessive, I'm backing down right away---on the other hand, I will ALSO back it down id I start making really great gains...No sense in wasting gear.
Trying to dial in a baseline.
I know what you look like Bro....You ain't small..:)
I think if u monitor your bp, do more cardio than an athlete of pro level you will be impressed with your results. The pros do have a lot of things at their disposal, budget for food, chiropractors couple times a week massage therapists, and that insulin is like the holy grail. If your receptors will accept that much gear without getting over loaded and wasting it more power to you. I don't know who you have in your gym, but the guys I know at that level generally lift lighter weights like body builders, not power lifters. That might be how their receptors are able to not get clogged up. Are you frontliading double these dosages? I seem to be continually raising my dosages too, just not at that fast. I've done four cycles over three years and made some gains but probably had much higher expectations. I've seen many dosages of the pros dosages in muscular developement magazine. I smell what ya stinkin here and I'm sure my dosages will increase each time also. Peace and prosperity be with you my brother of the iron.
I'm 3 weeks into a cycle...same compounds...just a large increase.
And yes, I find I'm getting better results with light weight...12-20 reps.
Thanks for your input.
Man lightweight has been good to me. Higher reps as well and concentration in the muscle constricting at the top has made a big difference since I been back in the game. I tend to pyramid more often . 3 sets of 20 reps then minus 5 lbs and do 3 sets at 20 reps and so on until failure and damn if I dont look like a jackass when I get to 5 pounds and failure. It hurts like a mother fucker but the muscles are growing unlike when I felt like I had to give up form for heavier weight. Also I did some crazy eights. You been at this a long ass time but we all tend to forget shit I know I did.
Well I have always said that there is a correlation between the amount of muscle someone carries and the amount of hormones in the system. I have never had any proof of this. It has always been a thought. Years ago when I was competitive in the BBing scene I always knew deep down inside that if I wanted to keep getting bigger my doses had to keep getting bigger. Now that I am re-entering the comp scene this will happen again. Thanks big guy you have just reaffirmed an old thought that I had.
I don't know where any of us "draw the line", but I do know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet still expecting a different result.
Good luck.
Well let's say that I wont be in the 2-3 grams a week. As for the insane bit. I think that we are all a tad insane. Or at least masochistic. For those of you who don't know what that means. A condition in which one compulsively seeks pleasure from pain. Now we hurt ourselves in the gym for our own pleasure. Its a sick world we live in full of sick people like us.
Let me put this another way:
Do you actually think that Ronnie or Jay or Branch---or any of the TENS of THOUSANDS of serious bodybuilders got their size with a gram per week, and THEN, AFTER THEY WERE BIG, just suddenly decided to use 5, 6 or 7 grams per week?
Their ability to "handle" these dosages is no greater than yours or mine. Muscle size has nothing to do with it. These guys got huge because they ran these dosages.
Would I run what they run---probably not. But not because I think it would kill me, but because, like insulin and diet, it's a pain in the ass---literally.
I had to get very creative just coming up with a way to get all this oil injected as it is....6.5 total mL EOD in one muscle (not that much in a delt..lol).
OK guys. I have looked at a LOT of literature on this subject. There are MANY OTHER articles on this subject.
I'm going to post a link to ONE article that I found interesting that was written by John Romano. He's a guy that I respect tremendously, and he tells it like it is. This article was NOT the deciding factor in what I'm doing, and I am not advocating 3 grams of test per week to anyone at all. But when you read this you will see how and why any pro or even moderately serious bodybuilder would scoff at the doses the average gym rat uses.
http://www.dorianyates.net/dorian/site/showthread.php?t=886
AnonI gather from this article you are planning on running short bursts say 8 week cycles..
No...I'm going to stay on this dose year round....and then get a checkup every 5 years when I have my prostrate exam.
jk