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Nolvadex on cycle

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I personally take nolvadex at 20mg ed during a cycle because I am very sensitive to gyno. Occasionally for other side and just to keep estrogen at a safe level I use AI eod at low doses. I have heard and read that nolva hinders gains, something like lowers IGF but also know it only binds to receptors or competes with receptors allowing free flowing estrogen still so shouldnt hinder gains or stop water retention. What is your experience or knowledge on the subject? I'm all ears

thahulk2014's picture

I do the same. Fr sent bro

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Dr.BroScience's picture

Nolva will prevent estrogen from binding to the breast tissue receptors. That being said it does virtually nothing to fight off the estrogen bloat and will over time and aggressive dosing will lower IGF1 levels.

In order to combat some of this you could always switch to shorter acting estered compounds as well as non aromatizing compounds. You may find greater benefit by stacking proviron everyday at a complimentary dose of 25 -50 mg per day combined with standard half aromasin tab every 2 -3 days.

All this being said, if you are having success using Nolva one cycle and are happy with the effect, I would not simply discontinue use simple because you are worried about potentially lowering your IGF1.

Of course, you could also and should in this case. Go off completely. Get baseline estrogen level and IGF1 blood tests prior to your next cycle. Then get retested mid cycle as well as off. That way you eliminate all guesswork and can adjust accordingly to the facts as opposed to relying on guesswork.
Hope this helps

Good Luck

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Thanks man

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Sam I Am's picture

I've used it with proviron for years. That's how it was done in the old days.

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Sammy I've been seeing a lot about proviron and seems more and more people using it now. Never have tried it. What's your results and experience and what type cycle have you mixed with. I always get drawn back to the old school test/Deca cycle but now time to keep up with the times

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TrenAllDay's picture

Higher estrogen will equate to higher igf-1
Lower estrogen will result in lower igf-1

Nolvadex lowers estrogen so yes you would end up with lower igf-1

So it seems like it all depends on dosage of the nolva and how low it's making your estro. Only way to know this is through a few blood tests, testing your estro and igf-1 while taking a certain dosage of nolva

Just a thought...

Sam I Am's picture

Nolvadex doesn't lower estrogen it prevents it from binding to the receptors in breast tissue.

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TrenAllDay's picture

Well yea I just mean having lower estro will equate to a lower igf-1, wasn't stating how nolva works...

Sam I Am's picture

No big deal bro. I know you know your shit. Most young guys only use it on pct. Back in the day this was all we had.

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irongame427's picture

Won't hinder gains at all. It's a fine choice if you're gyno prone. It's what I suggest to most people who are guns prone as they have to use doses of ai's and keep there estrogen so low that it will hinder gains. It will decrease igf-1 levels a bit, how much I don't know forsure. I'd like to get my igf-1 tested and then take nolva for 2 weeks or so and retest and see what if any change occurred.

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Jinx

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I have enjoyed Equipoise. At 600mg a week of course with a little test. I do not want to always worry about gyno while on cycle so maybe I will start aiming for those in my cycles to come. Time to switch it up

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waterhead235's picture

100% right answer!

JARHEAD2's picture

If you're super sensitive to e2 I highly recommend aromasin. You could start @ 12.5 e3d & see how it goes & change to eod if need be. I know a lot of people like to throw Nolva in mainly to keep gyno back, but it also has negative effects. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor meaning it's not blocking e2, but it's destroying it. Adex is a blocker if I understand right. I hope I explained that correctly!! IMO aromasin will do all you need it to do to balance e2, but I would definitely monitor the e2 because as you know we need it also. Because Nolva is a serm, it balances in a completely different way by disrupting enzymes & how they produce. I hope this helped....

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I just don't like messing too much with aromasin. Only if I have to. The worse thing I would want is to dry out my e2 by accident. But I like the 12.5 e3d as opposed to eod as I have been taught and done.

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Ronburgundy's picture

I feel like that slight drop in IGF1 is more than compensated for from the increase in IGF1 from the anabolics you are running. I wouldn't risk the chance for gyno over that loss; as I've gotten older, I've started running low dose nolva (10mg) with all of my cycles. I also use ai as needed.

Gettingbig's picture

I've been doing alot of reading on this subject. What i have found is that especially if you are gyno prone adding Nolvadex is a great tool but an ai like aromasin seems to be the best choice because of the lowering of your igf levels by adex and letrozole.
I was reading a study where the doctor said if you have a castle how would you defend it would you let the attackers in then fight them or would you defend all the gates and keep the amount of attackers low.
I thought that it was a great analogy.
There is alot of pubmed and other medical research I've read a ton of stuff over the weekend. Just keep Google things like Nolvadex to fight estro, Nolvadex to prevent gyno. You will get a ton of reading. I wish I had some of the better links for you.

Irongame has a ton of great information on this subject

Bill G's picture

I've heard or read in some where ( couldn't pull a link of it up to save my life). That nolvadex will decrease the effects of Arimidex. Causing the need for more arimidex almost double. But like I say I don't have a link to prove it....

Gettingbig's picture

I believe that this is true because I do remember reading something about the 2 together.
I know that Nolvadex letrozole and Arimidex all have effects on your igf levels. Im not sure exactly what Nolvadex does to Arimidex though
This is why I choose aromasin as my ai

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I only do one or the other myself. AI if I'm on 750mg or more but for 500mg of test the nolva only is fine for me.

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Pumped_'s picture

I just read "Nolvadex only unless ai needed" forum and a lot of helpful info on there as well for me.

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