+ 1 planning out my bulking cycle
im currently running my proper pct after my test prop, masteron prop and some tren cycle.
i have my appointment to get my blood work at the end of next week to make sure that everything is going good and able to get back on when safe to do so.
im looking to plan out my cycle to bulk up. my last show i did mens physique but honestly i hate it im more in classic physique. not to put them down but just dont feel like its for me, thats all.
i was thinking of running a bulking cycle like the following:
- test e @ 750mgs a week - most ive tried is 600 a week and didnt have a problem looking to up it to 750 a week. to me it sounds like a lot but i keep hearing that its way better that way. just dont want to get to anything insane like 1000 a week,
- deca @ 600mgs a week - this will be my second time running deca in a cycle reason behind that is because the first time i ever tried it i ended up getting all bad weight. thinking back i know it was because of the type of food that i was intaking while i was on it. looking to ass way more calories but still keep it as clean as possible. 1-2 cheat meals a week is where its at for me.
- anadrol @ 50mgs ed - looking to throw this in to kickstart my cycle. never tried dbol so if any of you prefer dbol i would love to hear your reasoning.
planning to run this cycle for 16 week. going to be having my AI on hand, liver support, drinking way more water then usual to compensate for the 50 mgs of anadrol every day.
i was debating in trying out EQ but this is the cycle i have so far. if any of you think i should adjust it in any way i would love to hear you guys out. thank you so much for the input you guys have given in the past.
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cycle looks decent. your key ingredient is something you've already mentioned. Calories. if you can't grow on this cycle then you're eating like a princess and/or training like one. Lower the sodium to a minimum and go to town on the rice, veggies and chicken breasts. You should not bloat with anything really unless your e2 is high or sodium is high. Test DOES NOT MAKE YOU BLOAT(no matter the ester)! Cheat meal once every two weeks(youll be happier with results). drop eq from consideration, adrol alone will hike your bp.
You had trouble with test deca in past. Upping test wouldn't necessarily be the right approach.
I'd recommend thinking a little differently about it. Consider dialing your test down rather than adding Ai etc
Best to remove sides if possible rather than treat them
I kept using test after that with no issues and ive always taken whats need during cycle. The big thing that i went through with deca is that insane bloat all over, especially my face. I just was dumb in how I apporached it but still have been hesitant about doing another deca cycle.
i took anadrol before with no bloat and mainly all solid gains, i loved it. What im debating is if i should just start at low deca and up as i see fit. Just want to take it to gain more thickness for nationals so i know i can approach it the right way with the right food intake and amount of consistent cardio
or whats your thoughts on that
I would suggest it's almost certainly the test causing the water bloat you mention. The test cannot compete with deca for androgen receptors leaving aromatase to do its magic. I honestly think you could secure the thickness you want if you reverse your plan. Very low test and moderate deca, if you're set on deca, nothing to lose by trying it, but sides!
RustyhookerSo if he ends up being the typical dude and gets deca dick etc, how long will that stay?
Mine stayed for four months.It was shitty.This was before I knew about deca dick.I just listened to Bill Phillips and thought that deca was less toxic.I kept thinking this will pass.It didn't.Eventually I contacted My man max4life and he told me about deca dick and sent me some dostinex.Everything got better after that.I'll never use deca again on the wife's orders!
RustyhookerWell, thats the thing we preach here is on hand and as/if needed. Have extras of all goods. This cycle you might be ok. Next one your body might change reactions. Hell, its typically UGL and how accurrate is that? A perfect scale is extremely expensive.
Wham-fucking-O!
RustyhookerGetting close to winter. Then its my turn to see what i can do. Lol
I've heard of like 3 people getting deca dick. Deca only was standard until the internet came around and this whole test base thing. I'm running low test high deca next run. This is the only forum where 2:1 ratio is belived necessary for dick function, when in reality it's more of a fullness thing. The other 90% thing something likd 500/400 is a fine ratio.
Its not only a dick thing. Its the savage shutdown being compensated for.
Ppl are forgetting natural production from deca will be non existant.
As i always say with deca- on its own with no test equals shutdown which equals all the sexual sides.
Run an ai with it at the rate it aromatises- crashed estro which again equals sexual sides.
So best bet is to have test higher than the deca, im a 2-1 guy minimum with ai and da- i am more open these days but even if not 2-1 it should still be higher by atleast 250mgs.
So if deca was 500 minimum test should be 750 and thats to keep being a proper functioning man.
Dont forget conversion rates of ester / dht/ estro etc.
Its well being on cycle aswell not just gains and sides.
There is guys out there that do it and ive flamed them.on here and other boards and its the individuals choice on what they run but honestly test is better higher than deca.
There is alot of other factors that cause the dick problems also like guys finishing pct before the decaonate has even cleared their system.
Nolvadex is another that fucks with deca.
Look at the compounds individualy then in a cycle minus ancillaries.
Then look at the same witb them added.
Easiest way for it to make sense.
I like to run 500mgs of nandrolone, but as of yet I havent had a reason to run a gram of test with it, i have once but i felt it wasnt much different then 750, so thats my sweet spot, 1.5:1. But ya the shutdown from deca for some people can be horrific. Ive read about guys saying its been a year, theyre still depressed, all fucked up etc. Ive gone as low as 1:1 way back when and I didnt have issues. But were all different. Im lucky in the sense that I dont seem to have issues with 19-nors. And I hardly aromatize, on 750mgs of test most of the time my only estro control is 50-75mgs of proviron ed and that keeps my e2 right where I like It when bulking. I actually crashed my estrogen on 250mgs of test with 50mgs of provi. For some people proviron does nothing for them e2 wise. Only time my estro gets high is when I run dbol. Then I need to add like .5mgs of adex twice a week. I get acne though which sucks, mostly with just dbol. I love that shit but really hates my skin. Im to old to be breaking out like it causes me to. Maybe one day itll stop.
RustyhookerPoint i made below was clear and legible. G is wantung dudes to test out his theory and post bloods and results.
Somehow american english wont translate into G offering to collect data. And it turns into shitstorm.
There is no 1 size fits all but in my 3 decades around folks running gear..... ive heard enough about deca dick from my buddies to know its flat irresponsible to just plop out a theory to a newer dude. Especially with deca. How bout throw that theory into short esters first? Same advice given with tren etc.
Full of shit you are rusty. The point you made below was absolute bollox.
1. I actually quite like American English!
2. I agree, there is no 1 size fits all!
3. I have no doubt about you and your mates discussing your dicks, however, htf is advising someone to lower test to reduce sides a 'new theory'?
4. I didn't offer to 'collect data'
5. I don't believe I gave anyone advice about tren on this site other than to respect the sides.
Rusty, cool your jets fella. Just because you disagree with some of my thoughts doesn't mean you get to lie about me.
Don't be such a stereotypical angry little man.
Oh, and get your facts straight.
I don't really talk about juice in real life to many people but I know a handful of guys that have gotten it. And some of them are old timers and complained that before they knew Test should be used as a base it was just assumed that decas gonna blow you up but your dicks probably not gonna work at some point.
That being said your second ratio is about what I typically hear from them. Not 2:1
Also I'm going on what guys tell me. I've yet to touch a 19nor
Is there really any point in you and I discussing deca dick/ED, the what's whys and what not?!
No doubt we have different opinions on it!
RustyhookerYour pushing your "lets test somebody theory ". Maybe link your forum here so he knows why or whats up.
Didn't you start asking folks to guinea pig test as a group? Whys that not started? Or you starting? Post your bloods and results?
Sayyyyy what now?!! What in jaysus' name are you banging on about now Rusty? Isn't talking to someone about including testosterone in their cycle kinda the opposite of what you seem to be saying?! Or did you completely miss that?! FYI, I didn't ask anyone to do anything, but you probably missed that too!!!!
The Earth isn't flat Rusty! Despite what you believe, it really isn't.
RustyhookerGood gawd your reading skill is sub par. I got adhd and it clearly states to post your link for your test you are trying to run. You know...the one you wrote!
Maybe dude decides to run it YOUR way. How the eff and suggestion ends up with your soap box?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/19-nor-prolactindeca-t...
Here OP. giardap needs testers
Umkay.
Not sure what's gotten into you but it really isn't cool to recommend to a guy who has just wrapped a tren cycle and is currently in PCT to join another cycle, nevermind an experiment thats starti g soon, with risks etc.
That''s really not cool
SMH
RustyhookerFinally you understand! So glad for your suggestions that mirrored your own advice.
So you advising him to be a guinea pig got caught up in your own bs?
Giving bad advice... thats not really cool
Smh...
Your advice...
"I honestly think you could secure the thickness you want if you reverse your plan. Very low test and moderate deca"
To then reply this AFTER your suggestion?
"Not sure what's gotten into you but it really isn't cool to recommend to a guy who has just wrapped a tren cycle and is currently in PCT to join another cycle"
Can you keep anything straight at all?
Yet, somehow when the op runs a winter bulker you assume he's going to follow pct right now with another cycle AND think I'd suggest it as well? I think your advice on nors in general is quack science. Let alone tell anyone at all ever... to jump into a cycle immediately following pct.
OK so let me get this right.......!
You think that when I advise a guy planning a future cycle to
consider lowering his test dose & not to increase it or his deca dose
because
he previously had sides....
that it's quack-something?! I can see ahead.... because it goes against someeeeeee..... ratio? Or something else cookie cutter???
Listen Rusty man, although you revealed your prejudice, in saying you dont like what i say/think (which is A-OK, as long as it's not hurting others), you cannot cover up what you just did with your babbling. Guess what... your bullshido could hurt OP or others who read it. You should NEVER advise someone to jump into a cycle again while on PCT.
Not cool and you should know better Rusty or maybe you just didn't understand what OP was asking/doing and jumped the gun, Idk.
Surely you can disagree with me without getting so weird about it?
Nothing more powerfull for a bulk than test/ deca/ drol when were talking just aas.
Its a classic mass bulking stack.
Deca has a massive build up in system, it is a beast.
You need your ai dialed in and your caber.
Water weight and puffyness will occur especially with drol aswell.
Gotta be on top of your cardio to prevent looking bloated/ puffy moon face etc.
I always try to get as close to the 2-1 ratio with test double to deca.
If your going to run 750 of test do 400 of deca as its only your second run with it.
What duration? If at 400 id go 14 weeks with the deca and 16 test.
12 weeks is a tad short imo for decaonate ester.
With drol on this cycle at your experience just run it as a kicker, no need to pulse it, although you could go 3 on 1 off then 3 on if sides are ok.
No need to exceed 50mgs a day of drol if legit.
If you get the 50mg tabs cut in half and take twice a day.
You will need liver protection.
Tudca, liv 52 etc etc.
Aromasin ai.
Caber.
Pct if your not trt will be extended due to the deca, 4 week standard wont suffice- 12 days after last test pin.
Clomid-100-100-50-50-50-50
Nolva- 0-60-40-40-40-40-40-20
( nolva skipped first week pct )
And add natural supps like daa etc to aid.
Bloods before, during and after.
Ai from day 1 with drol- bloods when drol is finished and adjust ai as needed and add caber as required.
Good clean foods but high calories.
Never saw the difference between 500 and 750 of test except sides. Much more oily skin and acne but not much more gains, the opposite in fact. Put on 30lbs with 500 and with 750 with when upping caloric intake with the 750. Everyones different. Plus saved a whole he'll of a lot of test with going 500mg. Most buddies have the same experience.
+1 for the personal experience and a sweet ass username lol
Everyone metabolises in their own way and it has been shown that nitrogen retention / anabolism is positively associated with increased doses but the trade off's are really very obvious as you point out re: sides. Once you exceed what is optimal for you, there is too much excess test floating around the body with nothing to do.... particularly when you use compounds with stronger affinity for the android receptors
I see it like this if your running sust 750 is the spot for the sust decca cycle but I agree test e 500mgs is it for me don't need more im looking into using less than 500 moving forward and I just finished this cycle with sust 750 decca 400 and I will say forget the decca npp is so much better i didn't like decca at all. I honestly didn't like running sust either every week you hit another level your adjusting your ai for the first 8wks its was a horrible cycle for me I failed running it.
I gained more off a 12 wk npp cycle with test e at 500 then I did with 16wks on sust and decca. I gained a whole lot of water but only kept 7lb I failed horribly with it i blame bad gear for the first 8wks but no excuses.
I will stick with npp from now on. 2wks and your getting gains and strength forget waiting 8wks for your test and decca to finnally work.
750mgs of test and 500mgs of nandrolone is my favorite cycle. Idk how many times I've ran it. Never need to up the dose it just works. I like dbol but it hates my skin, I'd run it 4 on 4 off, with anadrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Bloods often. I prefer either tpp or sust with npp, not a big fan of deca it just takes forever to kick in. With npp you're rocking in like 10 days, an extra 5 weeks or so of making gains from the nandrolone compared to waiting 5-7 weeks to really feel the deca.
Love the look of that ratio.
Yea i gave that 2 weeks on 2 weeks off a shot on the last time i tried androl. I loved it, going to do it the same way this time around as well.
Yea, when you gave me the advice for anadrol it was a test p/npp/anadrol cycle. i loved it so much because i gained some weight but more important it helped me stay tight. Im just thinking of leaning towards deca because im tiered of pinning eod. when it comes to the results in your opinion whats your input on that when it comes down to npp vs deca?
Game please accept my fr its Bigmurph
Not saying do it, but 1 gram of test is hardly "insane."
RustyhookerYoure somehow thinking big doses over big foods. Thats how you change...
Or you do both and really reap the benefits. 750mgs of test and 500mgs of npp or deca is a great semi advanced cycle.
RustyhookerI just think 600 is overkill. Pulsing drol should throw a lower dose over the top.
I was also looking at low dose igf1 lr3 with low dose hgh on bulk. 2-4iu hgh with 20mcg igf1 lr3.
300npp with the 750 test felt good but i also had 300 mast e in the mix. Test, deca drol should blow him up with adjusted doses. Watching the bp of course. I got bit by drol and the rbc count.
Honestly bro, anything between 400-600 of nandrolone feels the same to me. 750 and 500 just became my favorite ratio, just works for me, i feel good, libidios great, good gains, etc. but 600/400 would probably do the same +- a pound or two. I keep planning this winter bulk with test npp and mast, never ran mast with it before and then I keep realizing theres no winter cycle for me this year. First time in years I havent ran a winter bulker. but Its the year to get the wife prego and my simple life become complicated lol. I keep trying rationalize how i can make it work, but its just not smart. Plus when ever I do jump back on the results will be crazy after being off everything for so long. Not looking forward to pct, but I got a serious pct lined up.
But I think youll like gh with igf. Idk how much you have but If its a choice between using it for a bulk or cut id save it for the cut. It just makes dieting suck that much less. And it gives you this look you cant get without it.
RustyhookerNice info!!! +2
not at all. what im curious about is that how long until my body adapts to 600mgs a test e a week. or if im doing the correct pct and time off will it still be the same.
im huge on not abusing gear bro. i would never try to substitute gear with food. gear is just like any other supplement to where you wont wake up in the morning with all these gains. its all about the work you put in. if anything i know we need to eat even way more then when we are not on and obviously go even that much harder at the gym. im here to learn, if going up on my dosage isnt the best route i would love to hear what is. im here to learn, if i knew the correct way to anabolics 100% i wouldnt be posting on this forum. i know there is awesome guys on here like yourself that have helped and i wish to keep continue picking your guy's brains.
hope to hear from you rusty
RustyhookerHey bro. Just poking at thinking a bit. Real drol hits hard. I think a simple combo will put you over the top. Combined with your skill on foods, i think you'll do well.
Take a look at makwas findings on igf1 lr3. I'm definitely looning that direction.
This winter i was planning on 750 test, 400 deca with 300 mast e. Igf1 at 20mcg and 4iu hgh. Hitting the food and timing with gym. Am workouts so big carb and protein meal, pins.... hour later head to gym. Whey post workout then protein rich meal with low fat.
I did enjoy npp as chatted above. More pins but kicked in bout week 2. I like ed or eod pins on cycle thats complex but theres many ways to skin a cat
Pharm grade drol is serious shit, 2 winters ago 50mgs ed and the secon week my strength went nuts I ended up partially tearing my proximal bicep tendon. Lesson learned.
RustyhookerI need to find real pharma and stick to volume then.
god im so sick of poking myself, i wish that wasnt part of it. Funny part is i used to look forward to it back when my cycles were 2 pins a week. Running prop eod right now and I probably miss a pin every week or close to it. ED? fuck that, Been there done that for like a week and never again. NPP/TPP is perfect for MWF pins, or long esters same MWF, thats my favorite. I been trying to convince myself I can do that with prop and ace but i know its just gonna make me break out.
RustyhookerLol! After a simple short ester run, just so happy to not pin. I do agree there!!