posted Sun, 05/14/2017 - 04:12
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+ 3 Bloods... total T over 4000
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Reg yrly physical w/ PC so no free test or estradiol....
10wks in on 4ml/wk of nordaject VIP test 350.
Also on 3ml/wk tren ace 100. Remember reading that 19nors can give false high results, can't find thread.. Anyone have link?
Everything else was on point, lipid profile was mint, but one oddity was my t4 was low, T3 was low, and T3 uptake% was high... Doc translated this to being mildly hyper thyroid? I didn't understand that one.
Any comments?
Oh, stats if anyone cares: 42yrs old, 5'10 200lbs, single digit bf, training 24yrs, cycling 15yrs once or twice a year. (Started out at 19yrs old @135lbs).
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NotNatural23Didn't swole go private or is he closed for good now?
Went private a couple years back.
fuck those are nice numbers!!
Rustyhooker1400mg a week of test? And only 4200 on bloods?
'4ml/wk of nordaject VIP test 350.'
Yep. It's basically sust but half the mg per ml... 15prop/30phynl/30iso/50dec, along w/ 75mg cyp and 150 enanthate added.
According to doc this number was extremely high.. he does trt in his office and sees guys who self medicate on the reg.
Idk.. he made me feel pretty bad about this number... Said risk of heart attack was high.. I had to laugh as he said that as I didn't mention I just finished a 6wk dbol kicker at 50mg/day or the tren or that i just started 4iu/day genos (which are working like magic I might add, I can almost see daily fat loss).
All else was good tho.. lipid profile was "excellent" in docs words. He did say at the end of visit "your looking really good". Lol
Going to pull more blood soon to double check these #s.
Rustyhooker...cool
Shouldn't it have been higher even though it was sust blend? I really don't know where it should be when running a blend like that
RustyhookerIve seen 600mg a week around that level. Everyones different. Many bloods at 500mg are around 3200. Swole typically was really strong but its been 2ish years since using his gear.
I saw the other day you had ran some gear at 250mgs and hit 5000 I've never spent the extra cash to go above the 1500 cap i actually just capped at 1500 on my blood work
I work in the medical field. Easily explained. levels are related to the tren...the anterior pituitary secretes tsh which stimulates the thyroid to release t3 and t4. Your tsh can be high or low in hypothyroidism. When it is high its being secreted but not stimulating the thyroid correctly(body compensates by making more thinking it will stimulate the thyroid better) or it can be low and not simply be able to stimulate it at all. t3 uptake percentage is an indirect measure of the quantity of thyroxine binding proteins in plasma. It is directly proportional to the degree of saturation of the binding proteins by thyroxine....for you this means that you have all the "surface area" needed for binding so you can stimulate the throid however its not fully working.
so basically if you had enough t3 and t4 it would bind correctly and stimulate your thyroid...stop the tren and it may or may not return.
What you're saying is the opposite of what my doc was saying... He said I was mildly hyperthyroid. Didn't make much sense at the time.
Had he said I was hypo it would've made sense to me as the tren supposedly lowered thyroid function, but I've also heard many time that the tren was just an old myth w/ no factual backing.
Get a new doc. Hes got it backwards. the thyroid hormones are t3 and t4 if there low its hypothyroid...however your tsh can be low in hyperthyroid
Just To be totally clear... My free T3 is normal, my free t4 is normal, my tsh is normal.... It's my total T3 and total t4 that's low (just a touch low)... And T3 uptake is high.
This guy has an extremely good rep in my area.. there's a wait list to get an apt. He also does trt and isn't against what I'm doing so to speak.. just wants me a bit lower on the #s. I've been through MANY PCs and this guy is by far the easiest to talk to and work w/.
I spoke up when he said hyper saying it didn't seem to make sense as I was expecting low numbers... he explained why it worked that way but it was during the preparation for a prostate exam so I couldn't concentrate on what he was saying.
Are you SURE you have it right? Theres a post below from a guy saying the exact same thing about numbers being counterintuitive in hypo Vs hyper.
I also have very hard time gaining any weight... I stay very lean even while bulking. I've taken t3 in previous tren cycles and lost a LOT of muscle, so never again. I'm single digit bf now and not even dieting... Once I start cutting carbs I get retarded shredded.
I have to correct myself...actually hes interpreting it that way because the t3 uptake percentage is high-I thought I read this was low as well. A high level indicates that the proteins are highly saturated with thyroxine. so to say you are mildly hyper is actually correct even tho the free t3 and t4 is normal (these ones aren't "bound" to the proteins)
When the thyroid gland becomes inefficient such as in early hypothyroidism, the TSH becomes elevated even though the T4 and T3 may still be within the "normal" range. this basically is an early warning sign...think about it as early attempts to compensate
A low or high T3 uptake along with normal TSH level is not clinically relevant. T3 is the more active thyroid hormone, this test, in theory, should always be high in hyperthyroidism and low in hypothyroidism, like the total T4.
I know tren lowers T3 and T4 in some people. Possibly what's going here. Do some research and I'm sure you'll find the info you need.
When tren lowers someones t3 and t4 is that how it works to burn as much fat as its known for or is this a completely different effect.
Unrelated. Tren isn't a fat burner at all. It is simply excellent at partitioning food. So in a deficit because of the excellent partitioning effect you become more efficent at burning fat. When tren lowers t3/4 is is actually limits your ability to reduce BF.
But lowering t3/t4 causes more muscle sparing while dieting.
Certain diet drugs crash your t3/t4 very quickly and that's the benefit.
That may be but you also get a commensurate reduction ton metabolic rate and so would have to eat in a bigger deficit in order to keep losing BF. And if I remember correctly the studies on this showed that once your T3/T4 numbers returned to normal your metabolic rate took longer to recover so it was easy to rebound and gain fat back. Note these studies were not tren related.
Interesting
Hi, regarding your thyroid profile. Im 41 and have hypo thyroidism so when my labs are done my numbers are very high. Its counterintuitive. If the reading is correct you may have an over active thryroid. Im not too familiar with symptoms of that but if I stop taking my meds it screws with my sleep, appetite, mood, dam near everything.
That's what I didnt understand... my doc said I was HYPERthyroid. Which, according to the numbers didnt make sense. He was asking if I felt jittery, had troubles sleeping, hair loss... All symptoms of hyperthyroidism. Which i don't have any.