posted Fri, 03/24/2017 - 23:17
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Milk Bad - Raises Estro, Lowers Test
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With a little prodding from brother giardap, I am making a public service announcement. Stop drinking milk!!! It raises your estrogen levels and lowers your testosterone levels. Not to mention, the milk based protein shakes are causing some embarassing and bothersome situations with explosive diarrhea. The majority of us are naturally lactose intolerant. I switched to powder egg white protein and coconut milk thanks to the advice of my big Bro, a pro boxer and all around good guy. No more having to wash the wall behind the toilet bowl!!
Here is a link to the science: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
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I've drank milk my entire life and continue to drink it daily. Even if it does lower testosterone levels slightly, isn't the cost/reward worth the nutrition you're getting out of it? I drink a half gallon of chocolate milk per day (minimum), it also keeps my indigestion from killing me.
What's your blood sugar levels? There are other alternatives that give you the nutrients.
My glucose level is at a 94mg/dl.
Within an hour of drinking chocolate milk? Fasting? A cup of chocolate milk has 24 grams of sugar.
I couldn't tell you what my levels are within an hour of drinking it, but I'm sure they are spiked pretty high during that period. I do only drink Fairlife milk. It has 12 grams of sugar and 13 grams of protein per cup. Still probably not the best, but it works good for me.
*note: the glucose level i mentioned was after fasting.
Fairlife is also lactose free, has 100 mg more calcium than milk (375), ultra pasteurized (long shelf life), and the 2% tastes like whole milk.
FYI, Milk has 12 grams of sugar, Fairlife has 6 grams.
They also lobbied the usda and got a label exclusion for it containing aspartame.So it has aspartame but it's not on the label.I for one do not do aspartame but some people have no problem with it.
The USA is so fkd and corrupt when it comes to this sort of thing
It's an insane system
The Fairlife milk I was mentioning with 12 grams of sugar is the chocolate milk they make. I just read the label before I posted my comment to be sure I wasn't telling a fib.
But good to know about the 2%. I use it in my cereal and for cooking. You actually made me get up and check what the label for the 2% shows, haha!
So tell me something, the ultra pasteurization is what creates the extremely long life of the milk? I have wondered for a long time what causes this.
AnonHeating the milk in a tank after the milking process is what increases shelf life and kills bacteria. Buuut milk straight from the teats is the best milk but comes with higher risk of becoming ill. PETA has this big drive to eliminate people drinking milk and put out a bunch of nonsense to sway people away from it.
Milk nearly killed 4 of my siblings as babies, I take no credit for your writing this article DD lol
I'm getting slapped around already on different threads thanks very much!!
;-P
I heard a pregnant girls milk will raise your igf and growth levels naturally!
Colostrum is what your talking about. You can get it from cows, too.
It was suppose to be a joke. Lol
My bad, misread it.
Most of are taking exogenous test anyway. And if you are worried about lactose tolerance get a 23andme genetic test and it will tell you whether you really are or just imagined it.
I was tested when I was kid for the milk intolerance. I was desensitized with a clinical trial at the Mayo Clinic.
Perhaps during a cycle, but I might consider laying off the milk during PCT.
Not even clicking link. Ridiculous. Milk is an important staple in this game. I drink it everyday as much as i can sometimes a litre or two. Protein, calcium etc its very good for us and its better at hydrating our bodies than water. Vets on here such as tony tulo and viking advocate milk daily also.
There's some serious flaws in this article. First they're using three separate populations and combining them into one study, that's a big no no in medical research. Then there's like 5-7 of each group amounting to about 20 people which is too small of a sample size. Then they're reporting things as "significantly increased" but not showing us any numbers to compare to. Where does it say that all participants consumed the same diet and that the milk was administered at the same time everyday? Hormone levels fluctuate depending on time of day.
I found another piece from the full article. What we have is the abstract, the full article requires a fee to access.
"Serum testosterone concentrations decreased considerably 120 min after intake in all subjects (before and lowest point: 6.04 ± 0.38 ng/mL and 4.94 ± 0.13 ng/mL, P < 0.02)."
Regardless of time of day, the levels were based on before and after consuming the milk, resulting in over a full 1 ng/mL drop in 2 hours.
I do agree the sample size is too small.
WAIT!!!!!! Doesn't your testosterone level drop throughout the day??? 5-6 poinuts for a 2 hour period may be just ,........er,.........well, normal, milk or not.
It does, but a drop of 100 from 600 to 500 in 2 hours seems excessive. I would need to see what the normal drop is over two hours to be certain. Keep in mind the milk used was from a hormone treated pregnant cow. To my understanding not all milk cows are pregnant during milking. It would seem that occasionally, we might get a container of milk with much higher levels of hormones than normal. It is this type of milk the scientists were researching.
Gestation cycle for a cow 9 months approx. Normal practice is to dry the cow up a month or two before the calf is born and breed her one first heat cycle after birth ( 2 to 3 months after freshening (calfing)). Cows are pretty much pregnant 2/3 of the production cycle. The milk in any given bottle does NOT come from a single cow, you would be lucky if it came from a single herd.
Damn, how do I know this shit??
ETA: shortly after I was born, I had my hand on a set of tits, .......... or teats as my grandmother would correct me.
I was looking through some charts on testosterone levels throughout the entire day, and at most about a 50 point drop over the course of 4 hours.
I could never give milk up i drink around a gallon a day and I have a growing boy that drinks dam near as much we have to fight over the milk.
Haha I like to drink my milk and some serial lol and if it increase my estrogen lvl to high i have adex, nolvadex, and clomid for a reason.
An AI for milk, and I am the one insane?!
Sorry bud but I think you've caught what Ed calls the gay if you're giving up milk for coconut milk. The next thing you'll be telling us to drink almond milk. I'll stick to eating my protein and drinking wholesome milk.
No opinion one way or the other, but you've gotta admit that drinking the mammary secretions of an entirely different species is bizaar. The human body certainly hasnt evolved over thousands of years to be nurished by bovines. Kinds of Matrixy, you know? That being said, I very much enjoy milk......
Au contraire...
The genetic change that enabled early Europeans to drink milk without getting sick has been mapped to dairying farmers who lived around 7,500 years ago in a region between the central Balkans and central Europe.
https://phys.org/news/2009-08-years-central-europe.html
And I've got to think that to make that change, we (they) were drinking milk, and getting sick, long before that.
Coincidentally, or maybe not because there was no refrigeration, cheese is as old as milk.
"Ivanka, I don't know what you put in the milk jug, but I like it."
"Gheorghi, what the goat turd are you talking about? I put nothing there but milk last week from donkey"
From Ivanka and Gheorghi straight to Happy Cow.
Touché.
I still believe the concept of consuming the glandular secretion of another animal is odd. Delicious, but odd. Good looks for the info and link. Learning things every day on the big E
While an European genetic acceptance for lactose was developed, it also developed in other populations of the world, too. However, only 1 in 4 have this genetic trait. The other 75% of the world is lactose intolerant. I didn't have the irritable bowel syndrome, but my nose was always stuffed up, a real bad thing for a boxer. I stopped drinking milk and it cleared right up.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3401057/
This isn't the one I watched but it's worth 2 minutes of your time....make of it what you will guy's ;)
https://youtu.be/zfYeEa6z0mY
Milk...It does the body good! Not drinking milk is blasphemy where I come from.
Just call me the devil.
AnonI grew up on a Holstein farm and have been drinking milk since I could walk, only bones I have ever broke are my hands on multiple occasions but every time was my doing. I feel like a beast, lift like a beast and look like a beast. Granted I can only give opinion on how i feel and not scientific fact but I dont think I would ever give up milk, all mammals are brought into this world on milk and theres gotta be a reason for that.
Nothing wrong with drinking milk as a kid. However, if you look at human history, the herding of animals was started only a few thousand years ago and mass production of milk for distribution for mass consumption was probably only in the last couple hundred years. So, besides us sucking milk from our mother's teats for a short while, the addition of milk to our daily diet is only a recent development. IMO, our bodies are not genetically designed to process milk beyond a few years of age. BLUF: I ain't telling nobody what to do. The science is real, so good enough for me.
backonroidsThere is defiantly more benefits to milk than negatives . Arnie drank milk lol
Watched a show a few years ago about athletes recovered a lot quicker after training drinking milk over things like "sports drinks" ie: lucazade ect....
I believe it. Anything is better than a bottle full of sugar.
backonroidsI can believe it ! Milk is the good swag ! "Milk is Bad" is dramatic .
If it can make a bull grow then it's sure to hell good enough for me hAha
More likely Tren makes the bulls grow more than the milk.
backonroidsTrue , as steroids are a lot more beneficial for our body's than milk and it's dumb ass nutrients and goodness .
The Internet sucks as tongue in cheek comments don't always get communicated.
backonroidsThat was my tounge and cheek lol I got your humour man don't worry
backonroidsI love milk and don't think it's done much harm to me .. apart from sobbing during romantic comedy's lol
Different countries allow dairy cows to be given different hormones.
Just sayin
I did see an article stating the use of hormone pellets were banned a little while back for milk cows in the EU.
True.