Low-dose TRT
Sup Roiders,
I had Test bloods in Nov 2016 and my Test levels had dropped to 294 :(.
I've always cycled conservatively (once per year, at most twice with PCT and low dosages of Test-E) - in fact only ever taken Stana or Var with my cycles over the past 3-4 years. But my Test levels have always been around high 300s since my mid-30s. I'm turning 37 soon.
I have been on Test-E-300 cycle since Nov 20. It is now Week 15 and I was going to take my final pin Week 16.
I am taking no more than 1ml 300mg per week (one pin per week). I'm taking aromasin E3D about 12mg. I feel fantastic. Libido has been awesome and I'm lean (down to 11% body fat, which I'm constantly on 16%). I haven't got much size - but lots of lean muscle – maybe gained 3-4 lbs of muscle that looks great and feels great. Recovering from serious orthopedic surgery.
But my question is - can I continue this cycle longer that 16 weeks?
I am thinking its the perfect TRT for me. But I've never designed a long term self-TRT cycle.
Can any experienced vets please help guide me through this? Appreciate the input.
I just feel GREAT on this cycle. Mentally and physically. But I want to be safe and healthy too.
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Whether or not you choose to put yourself on trt is really your business, regardless of what anyone else thinks or says. But, you need to fully consider what you're getting yourself into.
300/week is very high for trt dosing. I've been on trt for years. I'm scripted 200 mg/wk of cyp. I keep myself on that dose bc my body has become accustomed to those levels and the "feel" is normal to me. From a blood work standpoint, however, that puts my levels way beyond what is considered normal and healthy. My dr however doesn't know that I regulate prior to taking blood work for him...
I once thought it was "cool" to be on gear non stop. I mean hell, libido was soaring, I was beating it down both in the bed and the gym. Like being a teenager again, but don't think that shit will last. Our bodies simply aren't programmed that way.
We are designed to maintain and seek a state of homeostasis. This same physiological concept is at works when we develop a tolerance for a drug. The "norm" no longer feels the same way.
Being a slave to the pin sux homie. My natty levels are in the 130's. LH/Fsh are fkd and I'm pretty sure the wife and I can't have kids as the result. Scar tissue build up is another issue that fkn sux. My once a week injections still find scar tissue from the cycles ran years ago. Despite what ppl tell you, that shit don't go away. Wait til you hit a patch of it with that pin and it won't even go thru. You think them 2-3 ml shots hurt for a lil bit? Get a pin stuck in some scar tissue and see how ya like that...
My advice would be to cut it off at 16 weeks. You can taper down with prop if ya like or not. Given your addictive personality, I would shy away from a taper. Run your pct. then run your blood work. Keep in mind, some of our ancillaries are also used as subs to trt, as they stimulate the natural physiological processes of testosterone production and can help raise your levels without supplementing. An approach like this can "reprogram" your axis so to speak and yield higher natural levels over the long run.
You do not want the long term commitment that I have. Trust me.
Thanks Doss.
I've cycled off and will PCT next week. Will take bloods in 2 months then stay off for 9-10 months and take bloods again.
I don't take HCG btw.
Thanks for the insight and guidance.
What were your LH/FSH values with your last blood test?
Don't reckon that's gonna matter much considering he's still pinning...
I was under the impression he had precycle bloodwork which showed his levels at 294 and then he hopped on a cycle.
Yes I did. Whether that is smart or not, I don't know.
Rustyhookerare you flipping stupid!!!!???? November til current you been on cycle. I bet your bloods are fucked!! Damn stupid. Get some education fast. Get to your dr and do shit right.
Goddamn....dumb!!!
I know you're on expert level here Rustyhooker and I remember you. But your post absolutely doesn't help or provide any constructive criticism.
If you've got nothing positive or constructive to say, why post at all?
You know someone I don't, so you call me an idiot. Great leadership, thanks mate good stuff.
Check my history on this site. I listen to advice and I'm an open learner.
I've been on a 14 week Test only cycle? Low dose at 300mg pw. I'm scheduled to come off and I have based on advice here. Whats so stupid about it????
RustyhookerMy bad. You want trt...you're full growed adult. Go for it. It seems about every other post is trt for everyone.
Read my forum on hmg and hcg. It might bring you back to big numbers. Also on basskiller theres a jumpstart pct with hcg, aro and tgen regular pct. Basically Llewellyn shotgun blast of high hcg with aro then pct. It works too.
Apologies as youve been here a while.
Thanks Rusty I'll check it out.
Looking at my post I should have titled it different.
"On 16 week 300mg Test-E cycle, how different is it from TRT?"
That should have been my post title.
Clearly it's way way off TRT and TRT is a huge science and lifetime commitment that is very different. Thank god for Eroids.
Also read my post properly before you spit the dummy. I didn't design this as a TRT. It is my usual conservative cycle. But I was curious if it equated to TRT.
From the "helpful" answers here from "experts" I realize it is not. And I thank them.
...and to think that once upon a time, you were the nice guy on the block. Lol
RustyhookerLmao! Still helping as i can but this is nutty.
Glad you're back
This is what needed to be said!
(Rusty your forehead vein is showing again)
You mean "perfect cycle for me"
300 is 3x the amount of an actual trt dose. So you would be staying on cycle not on trt
Take all that TRT shenanigans out of there, it's not trt
That's all I wanted to know. I clearly don't know what TRT really entails I was looking for guidance.
The scripts ive seen were all 200mg of cyp a week.
That's a pretty high script I think, depends on the person I guess. I'm going off my script of 100mg/week
How long were you off when you pulled bloods and tested 294 ? Hcg in your cycles ?
Trt should be Dr prescribed lots of options (online clinics, endo, urologist ) if you meet the requirements for that lifetime commitment but you will have to come off either way so you can pull bloods ...
No HCG brother
You've been cycling for numerous years, you are at the end of of a 16 week Cycle and you weigh 165lbs?
Seriously?
No those stats are not up to date bro - I'm 177lbs now. I'm only 5ft6' man. I'm not trying to add hulking muscle. Its post-surgery rehab.
RustyhookerIm only 5-4 and well over 200. Dont bs the bullshitter. You're screwing up big time
I'll spare you my criticism and just give you the facts;
You need to come off and run a proper pct protocol.
You need to stay off for a while (perhaps 12 months)
Get your bloods pulled 2 months after pct finishes, if your test didn't go back up to your normal value at that point, rerun your pct. Make sure you use all pharma grade prodcuts.
If your test never returns to your normal value, after a year of being off, go see a legit doctor that is well versed in trt.
You need to do some serious diet reconstruction.
OK thank you Shiva4
I would suggest getting a full panel done; thyroid, lipids, metabolic, and cbc minimum. I noticed you had some old blood results with elevated BUN and creatinine. I hope you got those resolved. Steroids are bad for your heart, as well all know. Many people over look kidney health which can be impacted by steroids, especially from chronic abuse. Cardiovascular issues are bad news, kidney issues are much worse though and can occur acutely. By that time it usually too late. I watched someone die from renal disease and it was the worst thing I've ever witnessed, it's no joke.
Thanks Shiva yes I did. It was an issue with my salt intake and not enough water in my diet.
I will get a full panel 6 weeks after PCT competes and I'll share.