posted Thu, 12/22/2016 - 02:18
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Images of the counterfeit Rimobolan Amps I received from NAPSGEAR and Janoshik's lab results
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bump. so are these actually real or are they fakes? i have exactly the same batch?
has anybody tried actually them?
Pounds23what color was the oil inside is it a clear I got primo from a different source mine are a very clear oil and its deff is on the thicker side meaning the oil in a week or so ill labmax mine and have the results. now I state again mine did not come from naps but mine look similar although my labels are straight oil is very clear and clean and is thicker not overly thick but deff has some viscosity to it atleast with the labmax ill be able to give an answer on weither the compound is present I need about a week to a week in a half if you go onto youtube someone does a labmax test on rimobolan so if you labmax yours you'll get an idea of what a positive test looks like he does rimobolan, pharmacom,and he also does alpha all primo test all came out positive of having the compound present if anyone is interested I would much rather stay out of this as I believe naps is a pretty stand up company if I was you I would of waited alil more time and gave them some time to get to you considering naps was probably swamped up during and after the holidays
Has this been resolved? I Pm'ed Naps to send mine out to Simec as well to get Lab tested in exchange for store credit.
Is that how you received them, appears to be wrapped in regular plastic wrap. My order was in bubble wrap. I read about this order in the review section for Naps. I'm curious what's really in those bottles then, since you state the person who tested it claims there is 0% of the advertised compound and how there "seems to be some other compound in it", well what's in it?
That's exactly how they came, regular plastic wrap, the mailer from Turkey was a regular Manila 9x11 with my address hand written.
When I received testoviron (also Bayer) manufactured in Pakistan, I received all patient literature, pharma boxes and the address label was very professional and types.
I'm not an expert, but confirmation testing is a different can of worms from contents analysis. The 80 euro I paid was to state true or false, the amps tested contain 100 mg/ml of primo. The result was 0 primo as compared to a known control sample. It is much harder to go, tell me what is in here because there is more than just active - there is carrier oil, stabilizer, BA/BB (for sterility) and whatever else such as proprietary preservatives.
I might be able to give a guess once the labmax shows up - and don't worry -- an update is all but guaranteed ;)
you sound like an expert
Looks like another angus and beaker have emerged
Don't suppose you have any of the boxes the amps came in?
this is how they came, no boxes no inserts:
http://imgur.com/6fZbjZ5
Jano is a fraud and has been recently exposed by Mands @ Meso. I wouldn't trust a single thing that guy says.
PROOF:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/jano-the-ultimate-con-man-an...
Well that solves that problem, thanks
Now is a good time for OP to delete this thread before it gets ugly in here.
Yep... and buy a cheap labmax test ... case closed
Just in case.........
Sorry, not going to happen until NapsGear follows through on the offer made to PM. Don't you now want definitive proof of whether these are legit or not?
All the evidence I have says these are counterfeit - that includes people making visual inspection that these are bunk.
In the event a test confirms that the amps that were sent to me by NapsGear are legit, I will then delete and apologize.
Titsonmyman69Well this is a very simple solution as stated below. This guy said there is absolutely no active compound? Will go get a lab Max!! $15 problems solved period see if he is lying or not! Nothing complicated
labmax ordered - $27 with expedited shipping. Hopefully it doesn't take too long with the holiday.
My intention is not to cause drama . if the gear is g2g, then I'm good. But gearmail is like christmas morning .. you wait for weeks and then bam! total blue balls when it looks like the labels were applied by a five year old who still can't color within the lines.
I was not aware folks would have an issue with Janoshik's results, but we will see.. or Napsgear can follow through on the offer made in this thread to pay for simec/chemtox or refund (but my PM's have gone unanswered ..)..
That's actually a good point
The wise move would be to repost when you have real evidence. Right now you look naive and foolish..
That was a good read thanks for posting .
Just send them to me and problem solved.......
:-)
if I get a refund of my out-of-pocket costs, I'll send them to where-ever NAPSGEAR asks me to - he did state that I could send them to any member here with 100+ karma - so it might be your lucky day
It was a joke........
HELL NO.........
You're right there are fake rimobolans, however, yours appear to be real to me. The fakes I've seen are more of a yellow tinted oil and more rigid necks. The source has offered to pay for testing. Seems pretty stand up to me.
I would feel a lot more confident in testing from an accredited lab. This janoshik lab seems about as professional as someone selling snake oil. The extra couple hundred for Simec would have at least given you peace of mind. $100 spent on a questionable unaccredited lab is $100 bucks thrown in the toilet with nothing to show for it, whereas $300 for an accredited lab is money well spent. Naps is going to pay for it so man up and send it in. Can't get a better offer than that.
Also what kind of primo cycle were you planning on running with only 30 amps?
For the reasons explained in another post, Janoshik has an excellent reputation - I guess it has not reached eroids yet.
Regarding my cycle, I'm running primoE @ 450 and testE @ 150 (12.5 mg asin too, I'm an aromatizer)
Idk how you buy cycles, but I don't like to put out more than 4-500 to a single vendor. Just imagine how wound up I'd be if I was jammed up with 2-3K of counterfeit product and had to duplicate the order through another vendor!
The primo I replaced this with has posted lab results for the specific batch I purchased - so I'm very confident that I have the real thing.
That janoshik website looks so shady and unprofessional. I wouldn't trust them
It's not about the website, it's about the person who runs the business. I guess his reputation has not reached this site, but Janoshik is very highly regarded. I don't know the Eroid rules regarding mentioning other forums, but Janoshik was commissioned to test 15+ 'brands' of generic hgh .. his report became very influential (Google if you're curious).
He also tests raws for certain domestic ugl' sand is considered a stamp of approval.
He may pop up here, but he has my trust.
Ok I thought so I just couldn't find it I was looking on the wrong board it was meso so nano is a con artist
If he was that good he would be accredited, don't you think?
The product is as original as can be. Straight from the Turkey pharmacy and delivered direct from Turkey as well. Test it officially at Chemtox or Simec. I'll cover the costs.
I've read your correspondence with customer support staff. I must say you are one paranoid dude. You can forward the amps to any member here with 100+ Karma who knows the real primo and is willing to check the amps. I will issue a refund. Send me a PM.
I'm still waiting for your reply .. You want a sample amp sent to Simec/Chemtox, great .. Issue me a refund, even better .. But a response to my PM's following through with your offer is the proper and polite thing to do ..
I am awaiting your reply to get this sorted
PM sent, I'll await your reply
@Sauron should I have contacted them through eroids rather than napshelp? Tbh I'm not to super user or very experience with international sellers. If you think it would speed resolution and get an apology for dismissing my initial concerns, I'll do it.
@euroking I was not aware Chemtox was priced differently, but that would have come to $200 USD, kinda crazy to ask an ordinary small time customer to keep shelling out $$ to confirm what was painfully obvious from a quick visual inspection. I'm at work, but I have more pics, questioning the lab is just an obfuscation .. there is no possible way these amps could have come from a multi-billion dollar global pharmaceutical company.
@bigmurph not to my knowledge =\ But I think you are correct, at some point oil spilled on some of the amps and to make it less obvious the packager mixed them all up so that the 'clean' labels were staggered with the dirty ones. Long story short - it's hard to believe the seller thought these would get past a user with basic knowledge of gear and pharmaceutical practices (I do believe that Naps routed the order to someone in Turkey and the Naps HQ was not intentionally trying to pass bad product, but I did place the order from their website)
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bigmurphI have a question did an amp break during transit?
Whoa! This is a lot of negativity.
I have contacted Napsgear many times and only after many failed requests to quietly resolve have I decided to go fully public. I was not 'laying groundwork', my first post was seeking help to confirm my suspicion.
Janoshik is a very well respected ugl tester and is one of the very few who is clear in his methods and accessible to the community. My first instinct was to go to Simec, but they quoted me $300+. For the amount of product I have, it makes no sense. But I still went $100+ out of pocket to pay Janoshik .. And it was worth every penny because without the test, I would have been tempted (after all my cycle is 450 primo and it's expensive).
I still have many amps, If someone volunteers to pay for Simec or Chemtox, I will send it there. For me this is a safety and trust issue (along with the hundreds of wasted dollars).
You have never contacted them here through eroids.
So you rather pay a UGL with no legitimacy from a goverment but make their own Labtest in a basement when there is a govermental approved labs?
if its worth any penny to know what is inside you should have gone to chemtox they cost 125 euros wich is much cheaper then simec so you actually had a choice
I seen your post and posted it on here but like Euroking said I probably would only believe it if the analysis came back from Chemtox or Simec.
Hey mate
is it possible to get some info about the lab?
goverment approved or its underground?
where are they located?
why didnt you get it tested on those goverment approveds labs in europe?
simec or chemtox?
That's what I was going to write too.
I find it odd that you have been laying out the groundwork for this post for over a month and yet have never bothered to contact the source.
Having issues editing my post to add the lab results, here are the images:
http://imgur.com/YYifTQC
http://imgur.com/beXVxge
The lab results says batch unknown and brand unknown so it could've been any brand at this point.....
Do you want me to pull the email chain between me and the vendor where he specifically tells me the amps I sent have no active ingredient?
I'm just trying to be an honest broker here, I understand that I am making claims, but if the primo that was shipped to me by naps pharmacy in Turkey is gtg, I will gladly accept it and shut up. But all the evidence I have says it's bunk - visually they look terrible and then I paid $100+ out of pocket for HPLC testing.
I chose primo for this cycle to be as safe as possible, so I'm not going to willy-nilly start pinning gear that might shrek me.
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Sorry but doesnt look like a goverment approved lab
http://janoshik.com/
very unprofessional
Lol is that really the main page? I didn't even see contact information.