posted Thu, 12/01/2016 - 13:05
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Clarification on Hcg pct and on cycle
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Hi there,
I have some question about Hcg, i was reading some articles on internet about it, and i'm trying to understand well.
For example:
If I run 12 weeks of Testo E:
1-12 testo 500mg
2-12 hcg 250iu twice a week
13-14 first phase of PCT testo E leaving body, hcg 1000 ui E3D or EOD that is Right???
Week 14 last shot of hcg on monday
Week 15 start serm clomid nolva combo for 4 weeks
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 (a week longer)
It is Right that clomid desensibilize the hypofisis?
Thanks a lot
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Hi Chris,
-I've seen studies show Hcg in doses of less than 350 iu has been proven not as effective (debatable)
-Twice a week injection is enough to keep testicular function (up to three times a week)
-Remember that more is NOT better with HCG and the knowledgeable docs advocate low dosage HCG. If you go high enough with HCG, it is common knowledge that it can desensitize receptors (so do not do the 1000 iu dosages max I would do is 500iu)
-I won't run a cycle without it knowing what I know now
Here's some more info to help you decide and some studies to back this up... I'll probably set up a discussion forum for other hcg vets who have more experience to chime in this is based on my limited use (Not alot) and lots and lots of reading medical studies as well as reading forums
Some studies and info :
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_HCG.aspx
A ask and discuss video with trt Pioneer Nelson:
https://youtu.be/kjP6bqYeCxw
bigmurphThats good information
Hi twiatedsister thanks for your reply,
So you would recommend 350iu twice a week ? I read a lot that people use 250 iu twice a week and it is effective and I'm with you about to not do more like 1000 but lots of people use to do this a week before PCT, it is a mistake to blast it in this way? Is not recommended to raise the dose a week before PCT?
That's what I'm doing is 350 iu twice a week I wouldn't raise it or if you do go to 500iu twice a week the last two weeks (I don't see this as necessary but it could help) . Think of your testicles as a muscle they stop being used they shrink.
HCG keeps that function and also completes your feedback loop where LH would typically be missing (by mimicking it) so it can not only help you recover but also help keep hormonal balance on cycle. Just my thoughts bro you will have to make an informed decision yourself but hopefully this helps. I haven't had any estro related sides with my dose of hcg ... But Murph is right it is quite common definitely have some extra nolva on hand in case if u do.
Hi thanks for your reply man,
I'm using it at 250 iu twice a week until first week before pct and I have no Gyno at the moment do you think that 500iu per week is a low dosage?
bigmurphIs this your first cycle if it is i wouldn't recommend running hcg it raises your estro and with it being your first cycle if it is your going to want to learn how to control estrogen with just test and your ai.
If you have run cycles before what is your history
Hi there is not my case, but it is a sort of study supposed to be not the first cycle but always the same testo for 12 weeks and why is not recommended Hcg on the first cycle for how to learn to control the estrogens?
bigmurphTest is already going to spike your estro and for some it can be difficult to control for others its easier but you should stick to one compound addition each cycle if you even add a compound.
Hcg can definitely give you gyno quickly and if you don't know what to do or have everything you need your going to be in trouble.
But Hcg can be used in case of testicles shrinkage? Why i see everywhere people advice Hcg on cycle?
+1 bro I have an interesting study I'd like to share with you pm sent (estrogenic effects of hcg)