+ 5 We hate winstrol/Stanozolol
I've seen so many posts recently with lads planning on stacking different dosages of winny for various amounts of time and with my own personal experience with the compound and others I have to ask myself why?
Stanozolol hormone can have a very negative effect on cholesterol levels by increasing your LDL (That's the bad cholesterol), due to the construction (C17-aa) of winstrol it's terrible for your liver as it passes through it causing damage too.
As far as I'm concerned it's an outdated drug which no longer belongs in this game. Weather it's oral suspension, injection or pill form the stuff is awful and in my personal opinion results are mediocre at best. It's not what we want to hear but you can achieve similar results with a cracking diet.
Also for what ever reason gym bros believe (at least in my gym) it's a miracle drug which shred fat and gives you lean gains?! Wot? This increase my dislike for the drug.
If you've got diet handled I can speak first hand how fantastic masteron prop is (never ran the e version long enough to be able to give a solid opinion). All the dry, grainy gains that winny promise masteron delivers without the god awful side effects. It also allowed me to run less Aromasin during that blast. Proviron is also a great drug although I've only ever ran it at 25 ED which was fantastic but apparently again can produce similar results with little to no side effects, if someone more experience can chime in please do.
They're both derivatives of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) so if you're prepositioned to shed hair be warned, your thick mains my not be so full after a run with these compounds.
Nearly forgot to mention, most importantly winstrol FUCKS your joints, made mine feel like I was a 134 year old with arthritis for about months after the cycle.
Good luck, train hard and diet harder.
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winstrol is an outdated bottom shelf anabolic, ive said it before. masteron, tren, and anavar can do everything winstrol can but better
Got a bad shoulder and shit knees from a car wreck. Winny fucking kills me. Can't squat body weight without pain. As a younger lad I loved the fast twitch edge and strength. Now it ages me ten years. Not worth it. I'm on board with Rusty, good Var under 50 split is a nice tail to solidify the base. I hear people complain about the cost of Var. blows me away. My food bill 300 plus a week when I'm running gear. 120 bucks for a decent oral is a pisshole in the snow
Funny how it effects everyone differently. You got strength from winny all I got was pains and aches haha. For me I would advise everyone stay away from it (as a lot of new members have been wanting to run it). If you're a pro obviously you wouldn't be asking me for advise ha.
I feel my next cycle will include some quality anavar at 40 ED for 6 weeks. It's a tren cycle so unsure weather id be able to tell what's going on.
That's all it does for me now. Ha. Getting old sucks. Yeah. So tren and var. depends on timing. Tren weeks 1-8 or ten than a tail of var For four weeks I think would be beneficial. But to run them side by side you wouldn't notice the var at all. Other than mean pumps but all the power will obviously come from tren. But I like var on the tail of anything if I'm going to run a oral at all. But I don't run tren very much. Only a few times. Sides fucken ruin me. I'm an eq guy
Winstrol made my head itch like it's crawling with lice or something ,dirty drug feeling ,I do love var though and think it's worth the extra $$$$
Rustyhooker^^^^^dried out that scalp right?
Yes bro itchy head
RustyhookerI loved winny when I was young but I also kept dose down below 25mg split every 4 hours.
After using Anbar and masteron....its hard to look back. Ran winny a year ago and joints were horrible. Think I'll leave it for the young folks
No lasting side effects? I swear my toes never felt as 'lubricated' as they once did when I ran winny.. 50 ED only lasted 4.5 weeks before the pain was unbearable. Yet to try anavar but I've got a decent size amount of it but I can't really tell what kind of cycle it'll work in..
RustyhookerFor me, var really kills appetite so cutting has been easier with var. The strength gains are also impressive. Every lift I had quick qains. I like it tail end of cycle or last 6 weeks if running short esters. 50mg split has been plentits quality. I see folks claiming 100mg but there's no way it was good. I got bad cramping above 50.
My elbows took most of the winny pain. Since I broke them a few years back, winny just chewed me up.
300 SavageNPP and winstrol together is an amazing stack,,It works excellent for me..
RustyhookerI do want to try that stack some day. Logan swore by it as well. Last time I ran winny it had my joints in pain. If the npp lubes well, it might be easier.
Gotta agree with Grow More on the cholesterol too. I'm older and that becomes a bigger concern.
300 SavageYes the NPP helped out a lot..great stack..
Sounds like best of both worlds. You've got to be careful of NPP/deca hiding joint pains.
300 SavageFor sure..
I think Winstrol still has its place but after the first time i tried Masteron there's really no reason for me to run Winny anymore. I find Masteron to be a far superior compound overall. But some people still swear by Winny though so to each their own I suppose.
That's it, it's all down to personal preference. Mast isn't exactly bang for your buck but it's great stuff.
Allow me to play devils advocate for a second. What might not work for you might work for someone else. What might work for you might not work for someone else. So this mast of which you speak so highly of might not cut it for the next guy. Remember we all respond differently to these hormones.
Well said! It's all relative.
I said that 2 comments down to mak. I made the post because I personally hate winstrol as do most the fellas I talk to.
All in good fun homie
I gave up on it. Didn't really do anything more for me except make me feel even more like dirt when prepping for contest. Crashed estro and add winni in that last week.....yuck! I have a bunch left over but if I give it to my buddy who just started cycling and is even older than me, I don't think he would be my buddy anymore..
Well at least his joints will be so sore he won't be able to chase you down haha. Like we always say though it's all relative in this game and you never know he might love the stuff!
His shoulders are so screwed up he can barely survive a workout right now. I would hate to see him on winni. lol
Gym bro rule number 146: never help a bro lift more than you.
WInny actually makes me angler than tren
A little Winny V works pretty well for plumping up your gamecock. No homo
Edit: Not to be confused with cock game.
really? winny fucks up my dick badly.
Gamecock = fighting chickens
I appreciate your input and respect you as a contributing member of this community but I have a VERY low view on people who take pleasure on 2 animals forced to fight each other for your own entertainment purposes. Be a real man and get in the ring yourself. Violence is part of life but that doesn't mean we have to encourage it.
I neg'ed you by the way. If you were joking apologies.
Would've thought the way it was written should be enough to assume that it was a joke. Never even seen a fighting chicken, lol. Thanks for not being a "pussy negger". Try not to be so sensitive.
My apologies, it's easy to get the wrong end of the stick in the forums as I did. I've corrected the neg. I'm no animal activist but I'm a firm believer in if you want to see blood get in the ring and earn it yourself.
No harm done hopefully and again I apologies for my mistake.
No prob. I like to joke, especially if I can find an opening (again, no homo). Bound to offend someone somewhere.
heres 3 bro
Thanks. I'm not mad about it. At least he was man enough to explain himself. That says a little something.
Oh, yeah, stop climate change and save the whales!
i.ll eat anything ;/
i would agree with the fact that most guys dont need it and that it does have a wide variety of negative side effects. i do however think that it has its uses precontest. otherwise i dont see any reason to use it.
Completely agree, if it can give you a 2-5% edge on the competition at world pro level you'll take it and the sides that comes with it.
AnonWinstrol is the shit! Literally, kills my rotator cuff area. Good article, I replaced winny with proviron. No more sore joints, just raging wood lol...
Thanks mate. What dose proviron do you use and for what length? When do you start to see it working specifically drying you out? (Rather than turning you into a sex crazy maniac if you're anything like me on proviron).
I have a buddy who eats those like skittles.. He doesn't get any of the sides either. He swears by the stuff. However when I take that shit I honestly feel like an old decrepit man who is hanging on to his last days of life lol. Not worth it one bit to me, I've blown a couple cycles in my early days due to "trial and error" with that crap. Lol. I'll stick with my anavar.
I hate those people like your friend..
As you said it's all trail and error mate!
Winstrol killed my wrists. Not for me. Great info though +1
No good for work outs.. strangely enough it made my toes in agony.
hemlockOGFuuuuuuuuuuck winstrol. I hear it has its precontest uses but for a gym rat like me it murders my joints therefore my lifting suffers. My least favorite DHT derivative
Too right brother. Apparently it's the most used anabolic steroid used for performance enhancement, who are these people using it?!
I see a lot of the 'pro' cycles using pre contest as you do but hell if they can get an 5% edge running it they will. Is gym rat a it's simply not worth the sores.